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bullet Saijin_Naib on Thursday, March 18 (2010) 03:46PM
Ah, good to know. Wonder what the edit was over?

In any case, I do appreciate that I was being divergent, but as I said, only to make note of another potential OS.

Also, the Jet isn't running on Bada, it is running over Nucleos RTOS with Dolfin browser and TouchUI. Bada is supposed to have hardware 3d accel for games.

What about Access Linux Co's Else?
[Linky]

I really like the UI concept and I think that Access Linux could do nice things with it. They have the rights to both BeOS and PalmOS.

Could potentially be interesting, no?

And I keep hearing reports stating that Copy/Paste will make it into the later revisions of WinPho7 and that they API documentation allows for multi-tasking and copy/paste.

I'm not really clear on the "officially official" state of what is going on there.

Besides, they plan on keeping 6.5 Enterprise/Classic around right? I wonder what the hardware path for that will be....
bullet Step666 on Thursday, March 18 (2010) 03:42PM
@Saijin: yeah, looks like the page has been completely stripped down since I posted the link.
This is the older version: [Linky]

As for the point about Bada not being open, that wasn't in response to you, that followed on from something Alcade said.

And I'm not trying to suggest you're not welcome here, I just think that an actual discussion like the one we're now having is preferable to disjointed comments.
bullet Step666 on Thursday, March 18 (2010) 03:39PM
I wouldn't personally say I have been unfair in my dismissal of Bada.

I've used a Samsung Jet and all that Bada adds to that is native application support.
Thanks but no - tried it; wasn't impressed; haven't seen anything to suggest that Samsung are going to offer anything worth getting excited over...
bullet Saijin_Naib on Thursday, March 18 (2010) 03:34PM
In any case, I'm dis-involving myself from this discussion from here on out. My input isn't welcome.
bullet Saijin_Naib on Thursday, March 18 (2010) 03:33PM
I'm not seeing any criticisms on that link. Has it been removed?

I never said it was more free, I only said it remains another option that is little explored/discussed.
bullet Step666 on Thursday, March 18 (2010) 03:19PM
It's not really adding anything to the discussion though, you were merely stating your preference.

As for Bada offering more freedom, that sounds like a load of bull - it's not an open source OS and it's limited to one manufacturer, hardly comparable to the likes of Maemo/MeeGo, or even Android or Symbian.

Also, whilst I am in no way vouching for the accuracy of these allegations, if the criticisms levelled here are true, it makes Bada no better than WinMo/WinPho: [Linky]
bullet alcalde on Thursday, March 18 (2010) 01:59PM
I'll agree with Saijin... Bada and Maeo/Moblin/Meego do seem more geared toward freedom for the developers and users rather than for the control of the carriers. Android locks the developer out of lower-level functions, and I don't know much about WebOS. There's an explosion of phone OSes lately as phones and PCs begin to converge, and it would be a shame if the market consolidated around one candidate before all the options have arrived and been fully evaluated.
bullet Saijin_Naib on Thursday, March 18 (2010) 01:02PM
When people are talking about the current status and progress of the upcoming Mobile OSs I find that it is relevant.

In the face of some the rather... limiting? decisions Microsoft have placed upon WP7 I find that it is looking more attractive.

Android progresses slowly, but its party cloud based service nature makes it unappealing.

Symbian I think has come to a sort of standstill which is unfortunate.

WebOS is pretty fantastic but ATT appears to be dragging its feet on adopting it for some reason, and will likely cripple it upon arrival like they did with Android.

Its not that I like it so much, its just that it is another alternative that is pretty much placed by the wayside per default. I don't think anyone would even give it half a chance. I'm just trying to remind people that it exists and from what has been said thus far, remains fairly unrestricted and may in fact turn out to be competitive or at least competent.
bullet Step666 on Thursday, March 18 (2010) 04:07AM
@Saijin: seriously though, I wasn't trying to be insulting, it's just that you seem determined to bring it up when people are talking about something else.

You like it's that's great, but what's it got to do with anything?
bullet Step666 on Thursday, March 18 (2010) 04:07AM
The ban on removable memory sounds like crap IMO.

Given that Engadget have first-hand statements from MS, voice recordings even, regarding multi-tasking and copy & paste, if the memory card thing were real, then they would have a statement about that too if it were real.
But, no, instead of coming from a major website, it's from 'Phone Scoop', whoever they are.


As for the multi-tasking, it's not that an app closes as soon as you go back to the menu, a la the iPhone, it's put into a suspended state.
What MS are telling developers though is to assume that it gets killed because the OS will be able to do so without warning if resources become scarce.

First-hand apps will be authorised for full multi-tasking and I can see MS very quickly expanding the list to cover third-party apps from major contributors.
bullet epithetless on Thursday, March 18 (2010) 01:21AM
I'm not liking where WP7 looks to be headed, myself -- but, to be fair, Microsoft has stated that both copy-and-paste and multitasking will be available in future updates. The ban on removable memory cards is tragic, though...
bullet Saijin_Naib on Wednesday, March 17 (2010) 09:54PM
Likewise to you Step.
bullet alcalde on Wednesday, March 17 (2010) 09:24PM
No multitasking, no cut-and-paste, NO USER-CHANGEABLE MEMORY CARDS? No thanks.
[Linky]

bullet Step666 on Wednesday, March 17 (2010) 09:32AM
I don't mind not being able to install apps from outside the app store, provided they have a less Draconian policy than Apple.
If the minimum requirements for the app store are set to something like 'doesn't break any laws' and 'is reliable', then I don't mind being channelled there to get them.

As for copy & paste, I can see that changing before launch.



@Saijin: I'm sorry but I reckon 99.9%+ of the world's population couldn't care less.
bullet Saijin_Naib on Tuesday, March 16 (2010) 10:28PM
Bada can't come fast enough.
bullet bloodycape on Tuesday, March 16 (2010) 06:05PM
Real sham and a real step back if true. [Linky]
bullet bloodycape on Tuesday, March 16 (2010) 04:22PM
Real downer coming from older WM devices and Android is the fact you can't install app that aren't downloaded from the app store(unless there is a hack or something that changes that), which take away some of that nice XDA support.
bullet Step666 on Tuesday, March 16 (2010) 03:04PM
I'm gonna miss TouchFlo/Sense, that's my biggest regret about MS's reboot.

But, the new UI looks really interesting and the effort MS seem to be putting into ensuring that every handset's performance will be decent, as well as integrating different services into the OS is really encouraging IMO.
bullet bloodycape on Tuesday, March 16 (2010) 02:47PM
I dunno I am a WM fan, and have been since the Pocket PC 2002 days, but something about the new one I am not feeling yet.
bullet Step666 on Tuesday, March 16 (2010) 02:30PM
@bc: It's still not that dissimilar to the Nexus1/Desire.

It kinda makes you question why they're producing so many handsets with such tiny differences.


Still, whatever the reason, it's no skin off my nose - no CDMA in Scotland and I think I'm holding out for WP7S instead of Android.
bullet bloodycape on Tuesday, March 16 (2010) 12:23PM
Look like a S9 replacement, but with less space.
bullet Lacene on Tuesday, March 16 (2010) 11:35AM
undesign, engadget has this on the J3:

[Linky]
bullet Lacene on Tuesday, March 16 (2010) 11:32AM
Hello everyone....hope everyone is doing well


bullet undesign on Tuesday, March 16 (2010) 09:42AM
Cowon J3?? Anyone got any news on it????
bullet bloodycape on Monday, March 15 (2010) 11:17PM
Well there will be CDMA N1, but this apparently may have 8gb of space(+ microSD slot) built in something the Desire won't have. To me that a is a very nice bonus, as I can carry more of my music with me.
bullet Step666 on Monday, March 15 (2010) 08:56PM
So, in essence, just a CDMA Desire/Nexus One.

Why all the excitement then?
bullet bloodycape on Monday, March 15 (2010) 05:53PM
Well from what I read ram could be the same as the N1/Desire, but it it may come with 8gb of space + microsd card slot and is CDMA US only so far. The rest is also suppose to be the same as the Desire.
bullet Step666 on Monday, March 15 (2010) 05:03PM
What are the rumoured specs of the Incredible?

Is there any real difference between it and the Desire/Nexus One?
bullet bloodycape on Monday, March 15 (2010) 03:31PM
Cowon V5 review. [Linky]
bullet BBD on Monday, March 15 (2010) 01:32PM
Me, too!
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