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Heads up: Zen Vision:M vs G5 iPod
comment: 106 | Saturday, December 10 (2005) 05:29PM | Posted by chicubs
Haven't had enough of the whole Zen versus iPod debate? I hope not because we have stumbled upon a bunch of comparison shots in our very own forums.




Hmmm...I think its pretty clear that the Zen's screen backs up its superior specs and is significantly brighter. It does seem to be oversaturated in some of the images, though.

Make your own judgements but, please, be respectful of others' opinions.

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Thanks to user Noox for the terrific pictures!
Comments

painkiller

Comments: 109
 		Dec 10 (2005) 05:46PM  

Creative's screen is waay better.



Swmr617

Comments: 23
 		Dec 10 (2005) 06:18PM  

For me it says the images are disabled?



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 10 (2005) 06:24PM  

you have to be logged in, go check again



shiftis
Location: Canada
Comments: 369
 		Dec 10 (2005) 06:29PM  

Creative > Apple



Swmr617

Comments: 23
 		Dec 10 (2005) 06:31PM  

Now I seem them. Wow, I wont say that the iPod's screen isn't good, because it's still a beatifull screen. But the Vision:M's screen is amazing. You really can see the difference when comparing about 60k colors to 262k colors.



Allen
Location: Dub Vee Ooo
Comments: 1511
 		Dec 10 (2005) 06:32PM  

A very colourful screen...



Thanol

Comments: 23
 		Dec 10 (2005) 06:34PM  

Wow, I wasn't expecting that much of a difference. Creative definitely delivered the goods this time.



YpoCaramel

Comments: 169
 		Dec 10 (2005) 06:38PM  

The Zen is better than the Apple is many respects, but not all. The screeen is excellent.



blackstar

Comments: 24
 		Dec 10 (2005) 06:41PM  

And i thought the ipod's screen was sexy...



Swmr617

Comments: 23
 		Dec 10 (2005) 06:46PM  

It is, but this tops sexy.



supertoad

Comments: 25
 		Dec 10 (2005) 07:05PM  

it looks really different in these pictures, but does it really matter? i've never seen either of these in person, so i'm curious: when you're watching a video on a 2.5" screen, does the color depth really matter?



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 10 (2005) 07:06PM  

its too easy to fake


3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 10 (2005) 07:12PM  

goddamnit... i'm logged in and i still can't see them ...



undesign

Comments: 786
 		Dec 10 (2005) 07:13PM  

zip22: yes, we know that there are many people who know how to use photoshops level preferences, etc. we all also know that there are many people who dont know how to use them, just like many people who work at apple and cant implement a good screen for something that if going to be used a lot for videos, which is what it does, doesnt do it.



undesign

Comments: 786
 		Dec 10 (2005) 07:17PM  

supertoad: yes. heres why:

suppose your listening to music on your DAP, and uve got your EQ turned off, so its a flat sound that doesnt fit ure taste. u set up ure 5 bands to your liking and all of a sudden your a lot more comfortable with the sound (extremely pleased, that is). You listen to this setting for weeks, months, and years. In fact, immediately you think: theres no way im going back to the flat sound.

This is the same case for the iPod. Its missing that extra video necessity which makes it horseshit compared to the Creative.



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 10 (2005) 07:23PM  

yea zip... i can definitly tell you not bias towards the Creative at all... does "weeny" "weeny" ring a bell? Its funny to see all the Apple fanboys distressed

(look really closely next to the Creative logo on Visoin:M)



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 10 (2005) 07:38PM  

oh no, nevermind zip, you didin't photoshop the pics, but it only shows that you got the pic from an unreliable source, probably some pro-ipod site.



bwoody2016

Comments: 11
 		Dec 10 (2005) 08:13PM  

Is he ever gonna shut his mouth? He just keeps running it even after the proof of pictures has shown he is wrong.



SowndOfDeth

Comments: 417
 		Dec 10 (2005) 08:27PM  

I read somewhere (or maybe here) that the brightness, contrast can be adjusted for the creative - sweet !!!! (and not so for the ipod)



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 10 (2005) 08:29PM  


3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 10 (2005) 08:31PM  

there i made for you zip, at least they both think a like, only one can show it in more color depth though



Kam3

Comments: 53
 		Dec 10 (2005) 09:05PM  

i'd think the vivid color difference of 262K vs. 65K would be undeniable, despite the brightness saturation (which is apparently adjustable, anyway).



Skymaster

Comments: 64
 		Dec 10 (2005) 09:06PM  

Zip really is a sick fanboy.

Otherwise, this zen player has one of the most gorgeous screens I have ever seen!



RandomFish

Comments: 42
 		Dec 10 (2005) 09:25PM  

I can see iPod going dowwwwwwwwn.

(That'd take a bit of commercials on the Zen's part though)

Awesome, awesome screen.



RandomFish

Comments: 42
 		Dec 10 (2005) 09:49PM  

Alright. So when is Zen planning to get these out/available?



AZNBoiOnFIYA

Comments: 14
 		Dec 10 (2005) 10:16PM  

probably not until after december in the US. theyre probably available already elsewhere though.



Skymaster

Comments: 64
 		Dec 10 (2005) 10:37PM  

I heard it is going to be Dec 17-18 release in the US. It is only logical for creative to sell them before the holidays end.



AZNBoiOnFIYA

Comments: 14
 		Dec 10 (2005) 11:22PM  

still, at the price point theyre releasing these at i wouldnt expect them to be much competition to the ipod.



asking4it

Comments: 6
 		Dec 10 (2005) 11:55PM  

i am hoping they will offer rebate or discount for it.




AZNBoiOnFIYA

Comments: 14
 		Dec 11 (2005) 12:11AM  

they might after a couple of months, but youll probably just have to wait until then for it to get cheaper.



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Dec 11 (2005) 12:19AM  

zip can admit the VM has a better screen?



Design Fabulous

Comments: 1038
 		Dec 11 (2005) 12:24AM  

Zip22 whats with your protective attitude towards iPods? Join an iPod community not a DAP one...



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Dec 11 (2005) 12:29AM  

I honestly haven't seen someone so defensive when the evidence is CLEAR. its pretty sickening zip and you should be ashamed.



YpoCaramel

Comments: 169
 		Dec 11 (2005) 12:34AM  

I still feel that the ipod is underrated on so called "DAP" sites due to their focus on alternatives. The fact that the Zen has a better screen might be true - probably is due to the color depth and maybe reflection gloss, but either disprove zip through technical means or give in to his point.



stargazer

Comments: 27
 		Dec 11 (2005) 01:03AM  

Wow! Those pics have left me gobsmacked. Not necessarily in terms of the screen quality, but the fact that Vision:M seems to give the user much more control over the GUI and stuff than I expected - and certainly more than iPod. I mean, wallpaper? Keyboard? I'm suddenly seized with the need to buy this.



shiftis
Location: Canada
Comments: 369
 		Dec 11 (2005) 01:10AM  

"give in to his point."

He doesn't have a point.



asking4it

Comments: 6
 		Dec 11 (2005) 01:21AM  

the reason i thought they might offer rebate is that 3 years ago they released the zen (firewire version) with $50 rebate. The retail price should be around $350. I bought the player right after it released.


3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 11 (2005) 02:17AM  

Stargazer: Welcome to the other side of the dap community, that is why i love Creative inface soo much, it allows customizability on menus and such. With the "right click" button (located on the bottom right of the player) you can acess search function, song properties, playmodes and other various shortcuts. That is why I think less of the click wheel because while being simple it also reduces functionality. The zens controls take a little time getting used to for some but its well worth it, as it is both efficent and relatively simple. More people need to know this stuff... god if only Creative advertised



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Dec 11 (2005) 02:24AM  

It makes me sad too. Living in nyc and seeing so many uninformed people sucks so much.



stargazer

Comments: 27
 		Dec 11 (2005) 05:00AM  

3284lmm, yeah I have owned and used plenty of other DAPs beside the iPod, so I've come across a variety of GUIs. But the one here in Vision:M is something I've not seen in an X5 or the Gigabeat, it seems really interesting and fun to use. I've never owned a Creative player before, and I'm really beginning to be intrigued by Vision:M.



enCORe_XTG

Comments: 317
 		Dec 11 (2005) 05:55AM  

a silent killer with no much hype, well done creative



LiQuiD_FuSioN

Comments: 111
 		Dec 11 (2005) 07:33AM  

I'm really interested in this new product from Creative.

The only irks about this player is that it only comes in 30 GIG. BAH.

Still no gapless? ack

However, this player comes damn close to being perfect.



nym9

Comments: 41
 		Dec 11 (2005) 07:37AM  

Creative wins.

And now for the real contest:

Creative M vs. Cowon iAudio A2



Deano

Comments: 123
 		Dec 11 (2005) 08:36AM  

I have no idea why so many people are arguing about this for chrissakes.

I think this shows the Creative does have a higher colour screen, the picture does seem to generally have more of a stable contrast level.

This doesn't mean the iPod's screen is bad. I still think it happens to look rather good too, just slightly more "muted" in appearance in comparison to the Creative.

I am enthused about the look of the new Creative model. It might be next on my list. Creative DAP number 5...



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 11 (2005) 09:08AM  

nym9 - The iaudio A2 is going for $500, I would hope it would be an overall better product than the vision:m ($300). Compare the A2 with the Archos AV500.



twinsdad

Comments: 129
 		Dec 11 (2005) 10:01AM  

I honestly haven't seen someone so defensive when the evidence is CLEAR. its pretty sickening zip and you should be ashamed.


Sickening and ashamed? I think you guys have lost a little perspective here. We are talking about music players here right?



twinsdad

Comments: 129
 		Dec 11 (2005) 10:07AM  

zip can admit the VM has a better screen?


I can admit it. The screen looks beautiful assuming the photos are accurate. Ipod still has a nice display. Hard to tell if the player is better overall since I haven't used one.



Radical Conformist

Comments: 148
 		Dec 11 (2005) 11:30AM  

"We are talking about music players here right?"

No. This is LIFE AND DEATH. Let's go kill some [insert dap here] fanboys!



musicman

Comments: 336
 		Dec 11 (2005) 11:41AM  

From a technical standpoint, it would appear that Creative have bested Apple this time. Apple's problem is that they have always leaked new features into each upgrade, Creative have thrown everything but the kitchen sink into this effort. Power to them, they deserve any success this brings them.



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 11 (2005) 11:51AM  

Are you kidding me musicman? Apple only adds to the ipod what generates revenue for THEM... they're mini microsoft on a rampage, maybe even worse than microsoft. So until they can find someway to generate revenue from a custom eq and such and such don't count on it being added.



chicubs

Comments: 915
 		Dec 11 (2005) 12:04PM  

come on, dont attack musicman, hes praising creative. He never said they were going to put in a custom sq, after all, they dont really need to. They do put in a few features each time, if you cant see that, well, you're blind. 3284lmm, Stop trying to antagonize musicman, with all of this microsoft/apple stuff.



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 11 (2005) 12:28PM  

ok chicubs, what new things have they added to the ipod that hasn't been for the sole purpose of revenue?



chicubs

Comments: 915
 		Dec 11 (2005) 12:30PM  

Every feature creative has added is for the sole purpose of revenue and the same thing with Apple. Thats the point of a business.



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 11 (2005) 12:40PM  

oh so somehow Creative is collecting money off the voice recorder, the fm tuner the music/video downloads and the 5band cust... alright i'm having trouble following you. Creaitve isn't forcing people to use anything of their own as well as many other dap manu's.

(or i might be blind too, you never know )



Lone

Comments: 973
 		Dec 11 (2005) 12:51PM  

"oh so somehow Creative is collecting money off the voice recorder, the fm tuner the music/video downloads and the 5band cust... alright i'm having trouble following you"

They put these features in in the hopes that people will buy their device because of these features. For many people an FM tuner is a must; for some it's a 5 band EQ; for others it's a color screen, etc.

These features cost extra time/money to implement, so of course the goal is to gain revenue from including them.



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 11 (2005) 01:03PM  

Alright maybe i have mislead you, let me refrase my question from: I don't not mean income from one sale, I mean locking people in for revenue, for instance: implimenting a radio tuner that only allows apple certified station in which you in return pay apple a monthly fee to listen to. From looking at past decisions from apple ( itunes only...) I can only imagine them doing something like that if they allowed built in fm tuners.

lone and chicubs, what you stated above was correct and makes sense, sorry for the mislead in my discussion. Chicubs, a nice civilized debate is always healthy, why would you want to deprive me of that through discouragement?



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 11 (2005) 01:19PM  

i was just being skeptical. you guys didn't find it the slightest bit weird that a person would join, post pics, and not say anything? now he is responding to questions, but he wasn't for a while.

i still think the pictures aren't necessarily representative, and the vision:m looks too saturated, but the screen is indeed better and brighter.



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 11 (2005) 01:29PM  

if you compare them to the origianl, you can see how the vision:m over-does the color quite a bit (notice the blue). i'm sure if the camera had a longer shutter speed, the ipods image would have been closer to the original (the vision:m's brightness seems to have made the ipod appear very dark in comparison)
[Linky]


YpoCaramel

Comments: 169
 		Dec 11 (2005) 01:31PM  

Goodness, you say he doesn't have a point, so goodness tell me why!

ssjmichael: I also live in NYC, and I have a 5G ipod. I know that I need MSC in a player. Does that make me stupid for buying an ipod?



unit

Comments: 21
 		Dec 11 (2005) 02:25PM  

Both nice players with their respective merits. Creative seems to have the upper hand in features, and the ipod still looks better imho, although looks are subjective. I've not tried the Vision'M's interface out so i can't compare though I do like the programmable shortcut key.

Competition is good, and clearly Creative realise that the ipod has become the de facto standard for an mp3 player for the average joe. They therefore feel that they need the looks and interface to reflect their expectations. Call it pragmatic...

That being said, no flac, no ogg support, no drag and drop, ridiculous file-transferral restrictions, no usb-host, and no filetree browsing (I prefer to organise my music myself). Also I'm one of those you find the clickwheel frustrating and frankly the touchpad sounbds no different. So personally, I'm not interested in either. I have an M3 and hopefully will be getting an A2 soon. If iriver released a HD version of the U10, I'd seriously consider that also...



Sebhelyesfarku

Comments: 398
 		Dec 11 (2005) 02:37PM  

much ado about nothing. both paperweights insert gaps between tracks, useless as *music* player



twinsdad

Comments: 129
 		Dec 11 (2005) 03:09PM  

lone and chicubs, what you stated above was correct and makes sense, sorry for the mislead in my discussion. Chicubs, a nice civilized debate is always healthy, why would you want to deprive me of that through discouragement?


So posting a picture of an ipod with the words over the picture "ipods suck monkey balls" part of your nice, civilized debate?



twinsdad

Comments: 129
 		Dec 11 (2005) 03:14PM  

ssjmichael: I also live in NYC, and I have a 5G ipod. I know that I need MSC in a player. Does that make me stupid for buying an ipod?


Don't take it personally. He thinks anyone who buys an ipod is uninformed and just going with the "trend". He always has that I'm smarter than you because I son't own an ipod mentality. At least he hasn't told you how he was offered a job as a moderator yet.

i wonder if ssj would like to give us such a detailed analysis of the vision:m vs his beloved x5. Any screen comparisons between these two players?



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Dec 11 (2005) 03:45PM  

Nice try again at attempting to read my thoughts but once again you FAIL. Basically you just copied and pasted what I said in the forum twinsy and then generalized it.

Now for ypocaramel and others who don't quite understand when I said that I live in nyc and I see so many uninformed people.

here it goes (read slowly twinsyboy)

-Did I say it was all ipod owners I was talking about? NO
-Did I say they were stupid? NO


I said I see many uninformed people using ipods but don't know about any alternatives. THAT'S CALLED UNINFORMED PEOPLE (get it twinsyboy????). There's no need to get so defensive man.

I'm sure that clears that up but twinsyboy I'm sure you still won't get it and I'll have to explain it again. BTW if you aren't psychic then stop trying to read my mind, because it just displays your lack of common sense in such a situation.



musicman

Comments: 336
 		Dec 11 (2005) 04:59PM  

Lol, I post a comment with a thumbs up for Creative and still attract a personal attack, classic.....



YpoCaramel

Comments: 169
 		Dec 11 (2005) 05:02PM  

The fact is the word "ipod owner" and "uninformed" are interchangable and we take offense to that. Given the vocality of the anti-ipod, we are defensive to make our own voices heard. That goes double when there are the provking "iPoo" posts. We have never claimed that the ipod is perfect, or at least in my case, that the vision is not as good a the ipod. But we own one because we know it fits our needs.



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Dec 11 (2005) 05:28PM  

Who said they are interchangeable? I didn't. Are you saying they are?



slashgnr

Comments: 87
 		Dec 11 (2005) 05:35PM  

Damn...I've missed out on the whole conversation...ypo - When you say "we take offense to that" are you referring to all the uniformed ipod owners?:)

...I've got to say, the first pictures I saw posted here of the NEW ZenM did not attract me at all but these new comparison pics have really made me like this player...g2 start reading up on the specs (which I've yet to do). It's unbelievable the difference in picture clarity between the Ipods (which i thought was a amazing) but Creative actually topped it...well done.



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 11 (2005) 05:55PM  

they're not clearer, just more saturated (even too much)


zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 11 (2005) 05:55PM  

cant see all of it [Linky]



slashgnr

Comments: 87
 		Dec 11 (2005) 06:43PM  

Don't nitpick my words, u know what i mean..it just looks nicer and to me "clearer".



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 11 (2005) 06:54PM  

hmm, i've never heard of using 'clear' to mean nicer. nor have i heard it used (especially when we're talking about an image) as a substiture for 'richer' or 'more saturated'. if anything 'clear' in reagards to an image would be in focus. i could also see it used in reference to resolution, but never the way you aparently 'meant' it. i wasn't really nitpicking, just correcting you're poor word choice.



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 11 (2005) 06:54PM  

damn, your*



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 11 (2005) 06:54PM  

oh the irony



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 11 (2005) 07:01PM  

Twinsdad, if anyones is trying to start a heated arguement its you, you quoted me on a post that was irrelevant to my photoshopped demo for zip22. If you don't know what your talking about you best keep your mouth shut, and most importantly if it doesn't pertain to you then i'm probably not eager to hear what you have to say about it



musicman

Comments: 336
 		Dec 11 (2005) 07:38PM  

Vision:M / iPod..... neither are as much fun as this;


slashgnr

Comments: 87
 		Dec 11 (2005) 07:42PM  

"i wasn't really nitpicking, just correcting you're poor word choice."

Ok:)....I can accept that...for some reason I took your correction more hostile than it was...my apologies.



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Dec 11 (2005) 08:38PM  

His name is musicman, he has a computer as his avatar, and is talking about a DS game being more fun than a music player.

Now that's gold.



Robert Sinke

Comments: 1221
 		Dec 11 (2005) 09:00PM  

we've got this interesting feature installed on our website for discussing *personal* (private) matters... it's called the *personal* (private) message.

Comments on news items usually have something to do with the actual news item.



musicman

Comments: 336
 		Dec 11 (2005) 09:10PM  

I can't play Mario Kart DS on my iPod though.....



Design Fabulous

Comments: 1038
 		Dec 12 (2005) 12:19AM  

Zip22 it is time for you to shut up.



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 12 (2005) 12:30AM  

oh, yes sir. i apologize for any inconvenience



Skymaster

Comments: 64
 		Dec 12 (2005) 12:53AM  

You are just trolling to get a rise out of people. Shut up.


zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 12 (2005) 12:56AM  

oh, yes sir. i apologize for any inconvenience



Design Fabulous

Comments: 1038
 		Dec 12 (2005) 01:43AM  

Shut the hell up Zip. Just shut up you retard.



twinsdad

Comments: 129
 		Dec 12 (2005) 01:47AM  

.
Nice try again at attempting to read my thoughts but once again you FAIL. Basically you just copied and pasted what I said in the forum twinsy and then generalized it.


You're right. I am sickened and ashamed.



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 12 (2005) 01:52AM  

please, desigbfabulous, point out to me exactly where you contributed to this news post, and where i was "retarded". we're talking before you told me to shut-up for no reason.



twinsdad

Comments: 129
 		Dec 12 (2005) 01:54AM  

Shut the hell up Zip. Just shut up you retard.


Shut up you retard? Are you serious with that? That's especially ironic if you own an iriver.



musicman

Comments: 336
 		Dec 12 (2005) 03:31AM  

Toallbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheesepicklesandonionallinasesameseedbun



unit

Comments: 21
 		Dec 12 (2005) 04:48AM  

please we're only talking about Digital Audio Players here. Please be civil and respectful of others people.



Dr Doom

Comments: 23
 		Dec 12 (2005) 06:34AM  

Yes thats right I bought an Ipod after owning a zen sleek, iriver ihp-120 and a sony vaio pocket only so I can be apart of the icult. Thats right I live in an ihome, i eat icereal, i got to ischool, i get the ibus and my name is iapauboag. And know I have ifreinds and we all sit their thinking were better than anyone who doesnt own an Ipod because well, their not in the icult and i am. Well done for all you qualified psycologist for working out 19 years of my existence and persona based on my ipod, congrats you can all sit their with your degrees and diplomas on the wall and your dead karma's and irivers and zen slicks and laugh at those who are missing out on the fm tuner and third party software beacuse their not part of the elite non ipoders society... YESSSSSSSSSSS!



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Dec 12 (2005) 08:31AM  

hmm nice screen, but hello, its a small screen, like the pods, so what differences will you truly notice, whats creatives fps?i dont know much of it, haven't really been online much of late.....still the zen is to fat for my liking.



twinsdad

Comments: 129
 		Dec 12 (2005) 10:12AM  

Twinsdad, if anyones is trying to start a heated arguement its you, you quoted me on a post that was irrelevant to my photoshopped demo for zip22. If you don't know what your talking about you best keep your mouth shut, and most importantly if it doesn't pertain to you then i'm probably not eager to hear what you have to say about it


You are just trolling to get a rise out of people. Shut up.


Shut the hell up Zip. Just shut up you retard.


Zip22 it is time for you to shut up


I think the message is clear from the anti ipod cult.....JUST SHUT UP!!!



Hyper_Noodle

Comments: 226
 		Dec 12 (2005) 11:38AM  

zip... the demo pics you've been providing...
The large one I assume is the original, with the Vision:M-produced one on the left, and the iPod-produced one on the right. Correct?

Anyway, aren't the original and the iPod- and Vision- produced versions not really comparable? I mean, the original is a computer file already, it's going to show up on everyone's comp a little diferently because of screen settings, but by and large, there's no "middle step" to acquire that picture- what you see IS the picture. With the Vision and iPod versions, though, these have to be photographs of the picture that's projected form a screen. So, there's this middle step which depends on the camera and even the way the camera settings match (or don't match) the picture produced by the screen.

In reality, I think this entire newspost is somewhat subject to closer critique because of this. I don't really expect that when everyone finally gets to see these two next to each other at a store, they'll be able to say the comparison is just like this post. Spec-wise, it seems the creative should be able to perform better, but basing the opinion off a picture of a projected image just doesn't cut it for me. Too many ways that's inherently messed up. (The pic doesn't even have to be photoshopped for it to be wrong.)



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Dec 12 (2005) 05:04PM  

confusion....



musicman

Comments: 336
 		Dec 12 (2005) 05:43PM  

iPoo, iPoo, shitty screen, not gapless, scratchy scratcy, no adjustable EQ blah blah de blah blah.....



musicman

Comments: 336
 		Dec 12 (2005) 05:48PM  

Oh yeah, forgot one;

iPoo paperweight



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Dec 13 (2005) 05:43AM  

MM, sssshhh its begining to get irratating now, no not that rash on my.....but the whole mocking of ipod haters, you are out of control....



musicman

Comments: 336
 		Dec 13 (2005) 07:05AM  

Well, I suppose "sssshhh" is more polite than "SHUT THE F*** UP"



Steve

Comments: 1197
 		Dec 13 (2005) 07:42AM  

Congratulations Musicman! You got the 100th post! You've just won an ipod G5 or a Creative V:M, whichever one you hate most.



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Dec 13 (2005) 11:55AM  

ah MM sure i've hung aroung this site long enough to know how to act, but some ppl do deserve the "shut the fuck up", you are just not one of them....i'll give you a hint who i'm talking about _n_e_i_n.....just fill in the blanks how you see fit.... !D



uhaulball

Comments: 4
 		Dec 14 (2005) 01:33AM  

the iaudio a2 and istation v43 kicks all these stupid-ass players... 4hrs of video is still shit, and who cares about 262K colors, those REAL pmps have millions of colors.



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 14 (2005) 01:00PM  

"those REAL pmps have millions of colors. " Your right these aren't real PMP's they're digital audio players, so why are comparing a $500 pmp to a $300 DAP?



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Dec 14 (2005) 02:35PM  

cos he's tryin to be a smart ass....oh and he's failing



musicman

Comments: 336
 		Dec 14 (2005) 03:23PM  

"Congratulations Musicman! You got the 100th post! You've just won an ipod G5 or a Creative V:M, whichever one you hate most."

I've never hated a DAP, can I have something else instead please?



kyo987

Comments: 1
 		Jul 20 (2006) 08:46PM  

Well I own a Zen Vision:M what I like about the zen is it can be personalized (e.g. : making a picture you uploaded into a wallpaper dunno if you can do the same with Ipod video) plus the screen is sooooooooooooooooooooooooo nice.) Well a good thing about ipod is that, there are soooo many ipods out there it easy to find accessories as for zen either you need to find it online cause there are limited zen accessories on retail stores. Despite the lack of accessories on retail the zen makes it up for its functions.



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