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Zen Vision M Reviewed
comment: 36 | Sunday, December 18 (2005) 05:10AM | Posted by Austin Vaughan
AV Watch has some nice pics of Creative's new Zen Vision M. A review too, if you read Japanese.

LINKI just checked Creative's webshop (US) and the ZVM isn't in stock yet. Will it ship in time for Christmas or what? It seems doubtful at this point, but there's still a few days left...
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Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Dec 18 (2005) 05:32AM  

Looks good. It doesn't look that thick in that guys hands either, although maybe at a different angle it'd be a different story. I'm definitely looking forward to seeing this in person.



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Dec 18 (2005) 05:39AM  

Also, Amazon.com has a pre-order up for this player, but no release date.

[Linky]

Someone in the forum contacted Creative, and they received a reply saying they'll have it in February.



onelasttime

Comments: 35
 		Dec 18 (2005) 09:29AM  

Looks like Creative made better use of the big screen than Apple.



Clashman

Comments: 43
 		Dec 18 (2005) 09:49AM  

So what do you think they're going to end up naming the microdrive version of this. I've got a feeling that "Zen Vision Micro" and "Zen Vision M" might get a bit confusing.


Allen
Location: Dub Vee Ooo
Comments: 1511
 		Dec 18 (2005) 10:46AM  

Ahhhh mini dock... bleh dont like that... but I wont buy this player anyways... That doesnt mean I dont like it though... its nice to see some ipod competition...

I wonder how high the post count of this news item will get?



painkiller

Comments: 109
 		Dec 18 (2005) 12:00PM  

Translation: [Linky]



YpoCaramel

Comments: 169
 		Dec 18 (2005) 12:40PM  

"Looks like Creative made better use of the big screen than Apple."
It definately has more functionality, but in terms of space use it's pretty much the same with a volume bar stuck on the side. It's not hard to nudge your volume a bit on the ipod to see what it is. I'm not sure if that water background makes the screen harder to see, but I'm sure you'll be able to edit it out with a tool.

The perfect mp3 player would have option to display the bitrate, the codec would probably have an editable interface. Alas....



ThatOneWeirdo

Comments: 46
 		Dec 18 (2005) 01:31PM  

Wow album art finally on a creative product. Thats amazing!



supertoad

Comments: 25
 		Dec 18 (2005) 02:04PM  

ypocaramel the perfect mp3 player would probably have the option to display the bitrate, the codec

you mean, like the x5 does?



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 18 (2005) 02:17PM  

too bad it falls short in other areas.

february? that sucks. there will be 5 new ipod revisions before then.



Agent Smith

Comments: 83
 		Dec 18 (2005) 02:41PM  

Clashman,
There are still some names available on this scale:


PREFIX SYMBOL MULTIPLICATION
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
tera T 1,000,000,000,000
giga G 1,000,000,000
mega M 1,000,000
kilo K 1,000
milli m 0.001
micro u 0.000,001
nano n 0.000,000,001
pico p 0.000,000,000,001




zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 18 (2005) 02:51PM  

and it keeps going
femto 0.000 000 000 000 001
atto 0.000 000 000 000 000 001
zepto 0.000 000 000 000 000 000 001
yocto 0.000 000 000 000 000 000 000 001

i'm sure there are more, i'm just too lazy to find them



Agent Smith

Comments: 83
 		Dec 18 (2005) 03:46PM  

Hey zip, you're right. I found more here:

[Linky]



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 18 (2005) 04:01PM  

YpoCaramel- Actually Zen players have always displayed bit rate, codec ect.... you just open up the submenu on the selected song and select "view detail", this is nice because it take all the clutter of the "now playing" screen giving it a nice clean look. Too bad the ipod doesn't do this zip, it "lacks" that option.



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 18 (2005) 04:02PM  

correction, it "falls short in that area"



Clashman

Comments: 43
 		Dec 18 (2005) 04:10PM  

Well, they've already used micro, and nano would probably prompt legal action from Apple. Milli wouldn't make sense, as it woud be smaller than the M. I guess pico could work, but nothing smaller than that seems to have any "zing" to it.



Robert Sinke

Comments: 1221
 		Dec 18 (2005) 04:18PM  

Plus, LuxPro already used "Pico" before . CLICK



dasmenneke

Comments: 135
 		Dec 18 (2005) 04:25PM  

Clashman: creative was the first to use "nano"
... it's a flash-player to




Agent Smith

Comments: 83
 		Dec 18 (2005) 05:01PM  

dasmenneke,

Sounds like a lawsuit to me.

That makes two.



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 18 (2005) 05:08PM  

not unless its trademarked



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Dec 18 (2005) 05:30PM  

"Well, they've already used micro, and nano would probably prompt legal action from Apple."

Man that's so funny.



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 18 (2005) 06:03PM  

"Well, they've already used micro, and nano would probably prompt legal action from Apple."

sigh... ignorance, enough said



Pacman2000

Comments: 33
 		Dec 18 (2005) 06:31PM  

heh, apple suing for creative using the name "nano"? That'd be an interesting case; too bad apple's too smart to sue the company from which apple itself "stole" the name.

haha, I can read japanese!



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 18 (2005) 06:39PM  

"Well, they've already used micro, and nano would probably prompt legal action from Apple."

umm, i just thought i should post about this too.



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Dec 18 (2005) 06:55PM  

^That would be trolling, and we don't need that. Please add comments only if you have something relevant to add to the news post rather than inane comments that only start trouble.

Thank You



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 18 (2005) 07:02PM  

ok mod



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Dec 18 (2005) 07:24PM  

i was merely attempting to point out how weird it was that the same point had been brought up multiple times. not even expanded on, just restated.

did your post have a point? it had already been mentioned twice and in a more appropriate manner. how about the post 30 minutes after yours that said the same thing? oh thats right, despite it being just as inane, it was passable since it agreed with you... i'm glad you're not a mod, the site would be significantly worse.




Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Dec 18 (2005) 07:44PM  

"umm, i just thought i should post about this too."


That doesn't exactly see like you were agreeing with me or with anything. I was the first to quote that person, and only one other person did, but I was actually pointing out something unlike what you were doing with your above statement.

About me being a mod, I know if I was one I'd do an excellent job. I've been mods at other sites and I've acted very professional in such situations. The same would be true for this site. I'm sure you'd just love if that Vision:M thread went on to 100 pages of argument, but if I was mod I'd lock it. If that's what you call making something "significantly worse" then you need a better dictionary.

I'd appreciate it if that was all that was said about this, and if you could please go back to the topic at hand. If you happen to have anything further to reply to me, please do it via PM's


Pacman2000

Comments: 33
 		Dec 18 (2005) 08:09PM  

mm, so there's been a lot of talk about this player ripping the iPod off, but the reviewer mentions that he doesn't think so. He does mention that the white color-scheme one is reminiscent of the iPod, but otherwise, the player feels and looks different.



YpoCaramel

Comments: 169
 		Dec 18 (2005) 08:45PM  

yes - I know the X5 does. Life is always a set of trade-offs, and I traded that for a ID3 tag database amongst over things... I don't mean the X5 is perfect - it's good in that respect, but the conceptual "perfect mp3 player" would have everything and thing we wouldn't even know we'd want.



wmurch3

Comments: 25
 		Dec 19 (2005) 09:07AM  

who the hell cares enough about codec and bitrate info to want it on the main screen or any where on the player itself? You really can't wait until you get home to check what bitrate your music is in? My idea of the perfect player would get rid of all the useless info such as this and make the player simple, elegant, and -above all else- functional. I think some of you people just get off on the idea of having certain features on a player without thinking about whether you'd actually need/use it.

"perfect player" my ass.



Steve

Comments: 1197
 		Dec 19 (2005) 09:21AM  

The thing about info is, it's there if you need it. Maybe you're listening to a song and say, "hey, this song doesn't sound as good as the last one, what's the bit rate?" And it right there. If you don't need it, you can just overlook it, which may be the case 90% of the time. The point is, it's your option. On a player that doesn't provide that, you don't have that option. I'd rather have lots of features and options and choose the subset that I want at the time rather than have someone else decide for me what I need and don't need.



gstom1

Comments: 41
 		Dec 19 (2005) 10:11AM  

I'd rather have more options available than less, but of course it has to be easy to use. There is nothing worse than a player that is featured pack, but difficult to use and find fuctions. I think Creative Labs may have succeeded in this area. I can't wait to try it out at a bricks and mortar store!


3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 19 (2005) 11:51AM  

i'm sorry, I can't tell whether you're praising or bashing the player :/



gstom1

Comments: 41
 		Dec 19 (2005) 12:08PM  

Sorry, I meant that Creaitve Labs seems to have succeeded in creating a feature packed player with a nice interface that is fairly intuitive and easy to use.


3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Dec 19 (2005) 04:16PM  

oh, yes I agree.



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