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CES 2006: Sigmatel
comment: 46 | Monday, January 09 (2006) 09:33PM | Posted by Austin Vaughan
The highlight of our trip to CES was the visit with Sigmatel. We're jazzed about this company because they bought all of the intellectual property from Rio Audio (which folded operations in 2005) and they also acquired the engineering team that designed the software inside the Rio Karma. As you might be able to tell from our logo, the Karma is a house favorite around here. It's pretty old at this point (released 10/2003), and long out of production, but it has some advanced playback features which have yet to be matched: gapless playback of MP3s, crossfading between tracks (all formats), and a highly-customizable EQ system. The Karma also has a fantastic GUI system. Our hope is that we will see a Karma-like product again in the future... so we've been keeping a close eye on developments at Sigmatel.

You may recall that Rio Audio was very close to releasing several next-generation players when they were shut down and sold off by the parent company, DNNA. This included a MicroDrive based player called the Avalon, which was similiar in size to the Rio Carbon, and a bigger version called the Cubic (aka, Carbon-C) for use with a 1.8-inch type hard drive (30gb). Both of these players were going to have the same style of GUI as the Rio Karma but enhanced with a color screen and additional features like audio recording.

Sigmatel made this investment in order to provide cutting-edge reference designs for thier next-generation chipset. Basically, the goal is to make it easy for ODMs (Original Design Manufacturers) to build a great player which will sell well. If they can sell a lot of players, Sigmatel can sell a lot of chipsets.

This new System on Chip (SoC), the STMP3600, is a 200mhz ARM9 design, with built-in DAC, USB 2.0 and USB OTG, 256kb on-chip RAM, etc. According to the Simgatel reps, the low-power design will allow for about 50% longer playtime than the average DAP. Using the 3600, they estimated that you could get about 30 hours of playback using the same hardware in the Rio Carbon. More information about the chipset is available in this product brief (PDF).

The guy who is heading up development of Sigmatel's reference designs (and software) is Hugo Fiennes, from the Cambridge (UK) branch of Rio Audio, and we had a chance to meet with him at CES. He's a friendly guy, and very enthusiastic. Hugo had with him 2 working samples of the Avalon (8gb), now based on the Sigmatel chipset. The Karma was based on a PortalPlayer chipset so they've had to rework things a bit.

The new Avalon can do everything that the Karma and Carbon could, plus more. It now supports the Speex audio format, the scroll-wheel can be used for pitch-bending, it has a 5-second crossfade, there's animated backgrounds, album art display, additional id3 tag catagories available for sorting music (like Composer), and the menu system appears semi-transparently against the background. It also supports WMA10 DRM (Janus) better than any of the competition, with gapless playback and crossfading possible between tracks.

Besides the Avalon, Hugo gave us more details about the Opal. This was going to be a high-end, audiophile-grade player that would be the undisputed master of sound quality. It was to be the same size and design as the Cubic, but would have an seperate subsystem exlusively for high-end audio which could be switched on and off. When you wanted the best sound quality, you could flip a switch and it would activate a seperate DAC and amplifier... at 96Khz/24bit resolution. Other nifty features included 802.11b WEP/WPA, ability to stream media to other devices, and TV output. This required some kind of crazy 8-layer PCB, stacked thick with chips, pushing the price to somewhere between $ 400-500. A $ 50 dock accessory was going to have optical outputs and 3 different colored LEDs, each pulsing to different frequency ranges during playback (bass, mid, treble). Awesome stuff.

We asked Hugo if he had any idea why no one else seems able or willing to implement the same kind of tricks that their players are capable of. He explained that it has taken a long time and a lot of software development to get where they are at. The guys at Rio had been working on this system since 1998, starting with the Empeg car audio system. The core software system has over a million lines of C++ code now, not including the codecs. It's modular too - parts of the system can be excluded depending on the application. For instance, he estimated the that the Avalon uses about 500k lines of that code.

Besides the Avalon, Sigmatel had a new, original reference design at CES, pictured below. This one is also based on the STMP3600 chipset, but is designed to be a super-slim model using flash memory for storage. Kind of like the iPod Nano but with more features, including MPEG-4 and H.264 video playback at 30fps on a 220x176 color screen. In addition to the usual stuff, this player supports AAC, OGG, WMA10 DRM, and options like USB OTG and FM radio. More info about it can be found in this press release.

The 3600 chipset is in production now, and the first digital audio players based on the Avalon design could be announced as early as Q2 2006 with availability to come later in the year.

For ODMs that want to build any of Sigmatel's reference designs, all they need to do (at the minumum) is to make thier own casing for it. With the PCB design and software supplied by Sigmatel, it would work just like the Avalon. Of course, ODMs can change it however they like... adding some bits, removing others... but really, there shouldn't be much need for changes.

Anyone out there got a few million to invest? Sigmatel's offer is as good as gold, if you ask us.
Comments

Austin Vaughan
Location: Lenexa, KS
Comments: 768
Jan 09 (2006) 09:34PM  

i hope i got all of the details right. :|

i'm pretty tired after this last week...




magnumforce2006

Comments: 3
Jan 09 (2006) 09:41PM  

I'm just going to sum up all my anticipations/questions in one sentence:

Will I ever own a 30gb+ karma-like mp3 player?




Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
Jan 09 (2006) 09:42PM  

Wow, that was a great read. These chips definitely deserve to be implemented into a DAP. The features mentioned are pretty incredible. I also like that thin flash player. Thanks a lot Austin.




Steve

Comments: 1197
Jan 09 (2006) 09:46PM  

Thanks for the good news Austin. I didn't know the 3600 wasn't actually in production yet - that explains why we haven't seen a Karma-like player yet. Looks like the waiting game isn't quite over yet, but very encouraging things to look forward to.




XooM

Comments: 57
Jan 09 (2006) 09:47PM  

I'd hit it. any of it. give it to me now. I heart you sigmatek. now gimme a DAP before april break!




Steve

Comments: 1197
Jan 09 (2006) 09:54PM  

XooM, the 3600 chipsets will just be rolling off the line in April. It's not likely they'll be a player that soon.

Whoever picks it up, I just hope they use screws instead of clips! Please, please! No more clips!!




Lighter

Comments: 102
Jan 09 (2006) 09:59PM  

Good read.
Interesting read.




Hyper_Noodle

Comments: 226
Jan 09 (2006) 09:59PM  

Rio's audio quality + OGG? Could I possible ask for more? I'm now pretty excited to see where Sigmatel's tech ends up.

Oh yeah, cool update, btw. Lots of good information that I'm sure a lot of people have been dying to hear.




BoSox

Comments: 44
Jan 09 (2006) 10:00PM  

C'mon, Cowon! This is what the X7 should be! (Like the Opel)




BoSox

Comments: 44
Jan 09 (2006) 10:02PM  

Actually, I'd be fine with the Avalon.




chicubs

Comments: 915
Jan 09 (2006) 10:03PM  

Best update/news of CES!




monkeyboy

Comments: 78
Jan 09 (2006) 10:06PM  

Whoa! Those are some really incredible features. Can't wait to see who is smart enough to use this stuff.




Allen
Location: Dub Vee Ooo
Comments: 1511
Jan 09 (2006) 10:31PM  

Maaaaaaaaaaaan... If only sigmatel would... make their own cases... they could put the logo Sig on them... and sell them... and.... and... I'm so depressed we wont see any player for a while.... oh well... as soon as the price of the A2 goes down one more increment.. and yes... best new of the CES




Comrade Penguin

Comments: 3
Jan 09 (2006) 10:48PM  

It all looks rather lovely. The Karma was a great sounding player so all this audiophile player stuff seem a bit OTT to me. Also why would we want something that upsamples to 96khz when most people agree that upsampling to anything but multiples of 44.1 will only make the sound quality worse? I know this seems like nit picking but if your going to make an "audiophile grade player" and charge a lot for it such things matter.




undesign

Comments: 786
Jan 09 (2006) 10:52PM  

Holy SHIT. Did anyone read the specs off the link for the 3600?


70 hours of battery life off one AA


Oh my GOD, that slim player below looks so hot. I want one NOW!!!!!!!!




ratbird
Location: Bronx, New York
Comments: 35
Jan 09 (2006) 11:12PM  

more cowbell




Lone

Comments: 973
Jan 09 (2006) 11:16PM  

Wow. So this is pretty much the ultimate as far as features/GUI is concerned. Just get someone with even half decent hardware and this thing will be killer!




undesign

Comments: 786
Jan 09 (2006) 11:26PM  

Lone: id be more worried about aesthetic design, looks like the chips rock ass so theres no way a company can mangle that one, but to have a really technically SLICK mp3 player but looks NASTY, will be the biggest let down ever. THATS what would knock the ipod out of its 1st place market share, (eventhough that shoulda happened long ago anyway).




supertoad

Comments: 25
Jan 09 (2006) 11:32PM  

olympus needs to re-enter the dap market. m:robe 100 on the outside, sigmatel on the inside. that would kick so much ass




undesign

Comments: 786
Jan 09 (2006) 11:35PM  

supertoad:
how about a toshiba s-series looking dap with sigmatel on the inside? though, scroll wheel MANDATORY. regardless, that slim looking one in the pictures here looks AMAZING already! god, are there any specs for that player somewhere?




Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
Jan 09 (2006) 11:39PM  

Cowon really should buy these chips, with their great hardware designs and these chips, it'd be the ultimate player.




v0rtex99

Comments: 10
Jan 10 (2006) 12:07AM  

Looks like it will be time to sell the Rockbox H140 and H120 this year? I hope! Better sound quality and a color screen with album art would be very nice! Go for it Sigmatel!




rblanco10

Comments: 6
Jan 10 (2006) 01:10AM  

Wow, very nice, I want one! I just hope that they give the consumer
the option of configuring the player with file folder base OR database
navagation/organization, and being universal mass storage device
compatible would be perfect.

Comments about the OPEL, "When you wanted the best sound quality, you could flip a switch and it would activate a seperate DAC and amplifier." Just provide an optical output and let the consumer add their own DAC and amplifier.





vince

Comments: 115
Jan 10 (2006) 01:21AM  

Hey Austin, did you get pictures of the LiteOn and Amax players using 3600 mentioned in the press release?




jet_fighter00
Location: California
Comments: 148
Jan 10 (2006) 02:03AM  

Great news, lets just hope it goes somewhere with a company.




AFD
Location: Northeastern, U.S.
Comments: 166
Jan 10 (2006) 02:06AM  

This has to be the most interesting news to come out of the CES, that no one else has bothered reporting on. New Avalon design looks nice, well implemented album art would be appreciated, and it's refreshing to see a company interested in actually improving upon it's technologies - especially in regards to sound quality.

My only worry is the Janus-DRM. Wouldn't this require the Avalon to be released as Windows XP only? Maybe Sigmatel will be the first company to release Win 2K/ME/98 MTP drivers.. that would be really impressive.




vince

Comments: 115
Jan 10 (2006) 02:16AM  

The Carbon supports Janus DRM but doesn't require WinXP. You need XP and WMP10 for Janus transfers, but if you don't use Janus, it's just a mass storage player.




egloskerry

Comments: 410
Jan 10 (2006) 03:19AM  

Rio has always been my second favorite DAP company, just a smidgen below Archos (and that's a tiny smidgen), even though I've only owned one of their DAPs, and it broke in two weeks.




koppite1

Comments: 248
Jan 10 (2006) 03:34AM  

Why God has punished me like this....




steve byte

Comments: 8
Jan 10 (2006) 04:03AM  

Can somebody please convince these companies (especially Sigmatel) that there is a huge need for a digital in and digital out (opticial) DAP / PVP - recorder that sounds great and has full support for 24bit/96kHz ??? A lot of people doing digital audio transfers need a small & portable device doing this - WITHOUT a need for a additional docking station. And - we need digital AC3 output from MPEG4 files on these!




ild2

Comments: 52
Jan 10 (2006) 06:46AM  

looks like i've got to get a now player at the end of 2006 ^^ i hope there will be a manufactor implementing this with care...




Flid

Comments: 262
Jan 10 (2006) 07:14AM  

Wow indeed. Superb news (but still waiting) and a lovely list of potential goodies to be had from this chip (loving the concept of gapless, crossfade and pitchbend).

Exactly as Undesign said... this needs to be in an amazingly sleek and beautiful shell to catch peoples attention. Definitely not Creative, Cowon, Philips or Sony. Howzabout Sandisk Hell... maybe even Apple would be perfect for this? They could afford it, and could put the world to shame with the undisputed master of all DAPland (~ouch~). It would also need to be priced in a clearly competative way to ensure consumer interest.

The hi-end audiophile versions may be a mistake though, as the majority of people are unlikely to see the the benefit of a supremely more expensive device. 8 layers of stacked mPCBs? Woah, that doesn't sound too clever.




Steve

Comments: 1197
Jan 10 (2006) 07:52AM  

Apple would rape this chipset, it's too good for them. Janus would be gone for one thing, and they'd cripple all the codecs except their proprietary ones. What features they do leave in they'll spread out over 6 generations. Other than that it's a great idea!

It's not 8 pcb's stacked on top of eachother. It's ONE board that has 8 surfaces for conductive leads. Most motherboards are 8 layer I believe.




abe5688
Location: Philly
Comments: 66
Jan 10 (2006) 07:52AM  

Getting closer... Oh boy!




Flid

Comments: 262
Jan 10 (2006) 08:27AM  

Heh heh @ Steve. Fair point. I was imagining a perfect world where Apple didn't actually do those kinda things. ~sigh~ Never gonna happen I know... but I like my dreams. Fingers crossed for Rockbox'd iPod (& beautiful Sigmatel chip'd products, of course)




marxx

Comments: 39
Jan 10 (2006) 10:45AM  

Damn, if only back in july rio hadn't folded (at least for another 2-3 weeks), cause that would mean all us rio beta testers would have had these amazing players to play with! Ah well, that's the way life is.

Very good news though, I'm not sure if any companies will bother with the opal though: there just isn't enough in it for the manufacture (huge manufacture prices, and not THAT much of a demand for $500 players).




unit

Comments: 21
Jan 10 (2006) 01:46PM  

one of these could well be my next DAP, i love the sound of the Opel and would be willing to pay for that....




UK Rio Engineer

Comments: 13
Jan 10 (2006) 02:30PM  

A correction - the 3600 is most definitely already in production (and has been since last year) - what I'm *expecting* is that stuff based on the HD reference platform will be announced in Q2... but I'm afraid you'll have to wait and see.

Just like the old Rio days, eh?





Austin Vaughan
Location: Lenexa, KS
Comments: 768
Jan 10 (2006) 03:51PM  

heh.

thanks UKRE, I've corrected the post.




themushroom

Comments: 87
Jan 10 (2006) 04:17PM  

I must change my pants now... I love you, Austin!




chicubs

Comments: 915
Jan 10 (2006) 06:29PM  

maybe you should bold or at least list "Edit:" to show the important changes in the post, austin.




boogie_doggie

Comments: 11
Jan 10 (2006) 07:52PM  

YEEEEESSSSSS!
The best news from CES this year.
My Karma's still going strong, 1 year plus (and counting), I was looking to pick up two of the refurbs on Amazon..., now I'll get just one and ride it 'til the new stuff comes out.




iNeo

Comments: 46
Jan 10 (2006) 07:56PM  

TIME TO BUY STOCK!!! GO! GO! GO!!!

Well, this looks good! maybe, my next mp3????




premieregs

Comments: 13
Jan 11 (2006) 06:03PM  

The Karma's reliability with it's hdd is one reason I've avoided hdd players, but it's features really draw me in everytime it's mentioned. I would love to have a DAP based on the Karma's sophisticated features!




Hartmeister

Comments: 33
Jan 15 (2006) 11:38PM  

Here is a good question for UK Rio Engineer. Are you saying that there are going to be real products based on the HD spec in Q2 or that Sigmatel hopes that their will be products based on Q2 based on interest shown at the CES. What I'm asking is are we talking someone who has actually bought the stuff or someone who is trying it out and might build one based on interest?




rubennyc

Comments: 111
Jul 19 (2006) 10:30AM  

"For ODMs that want to build any of Sigmatel's reference designs, all they need to do (at the minumum) is to make thier own casing for it. With the PCB design and software supplied by Sigmatel, it would work just like the Avalon. Of course, ODMs can change it however they like... adding some bits, removing others... but really, there shouldn't be much need for changes. "

Why oh why hasn't anybody done this yet??????? (((





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