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Creative announces the Zen Neeon 2
comment: 142 | Wednesday, August 02 (2006) 07:47AM | Posted by Michael
As hinted a few days ago by epiZENter.net (our Creative webring), Creative has just announced a new player to their line up. It's the Zen Neeon 2. As the name says, it's a follow-up to the Zen Neeon. That first player was not a crowd favorite, but I have a strong feeling this player will be. This time it has a color screen, and even plays video. Like the Zen V Plus, this is a flash player from Creative, and will come in sizes ranging up to 4GB's. Strangely, the Zen V Plus was said to be a competitor to the ipod Nano, but looking at the design and better GUI of this player, I'd have to say this looks like a better competitor.

Specs

  • 1, 2, and 4GB capacities
  • 1.5" CSTN Display
  • Audio: MP3, WMA, and WAV
  • Video: Transcoded AVI
  • FM Tuner
  • Voice Recorder
  • Line-In Recorder
  • 20 hours of battery life for Audio, and 8 hours for video
  • UMS/MSC Compliant (Works on all OS's!)
  • 5 unique brushed-metal backplate colours to cater to every mood.
  • Dimension: 81 x 42 x 12.5 mm; Weight: 50g


Impressive specs from Creative if you ask me. UMS support and 8 hours of video battery life are quite nice, although I imagine videos are more of an extra with this player. This player also allows you to customize the front with various Stik-On's from Creative. Pricing are in Sinapore dolars and are as follows: S$199.00 (~$125US) for the 1GB model, S$269.00 (~$170US) for the 2GB model and S$309.00 (~$195US) for the 4GB model. No word on whether this will be available outside of Asia. We can only hope it is.

LINK (via, epiZENter.net)
Comments

Scarpad

Comments: 65
 		Aug 02 (2006) 07:55AM  

4GB Flash Players are definately Pricey. I'd guess unless you have a direct need for Flash, like running etc, a Zen M for Under $300 is a better deal.



enigman

Comments: 216
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:10AM  

UMS!!!



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:12AM  

I'm real excited about this one, much more than the Zen V. Is it me or does the GUI look more polished than that one? The letters don't look as block as those on the Zen Micro Photo/Zen V. There's not much shots of the GUI though so who knows.

I also wonder if it has the same scratch resistant surface as the Zen V, as well as things like album art support.



alpatton

Comments: 6
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:16AM  

i really don't understand creative's approach. i mean that have so many products and it looks like they compete with one another.

i think a consistent look to their products might help. meaning, you can still tell a ford mustang even after all of its changes. the same with an iPod. consistency will help the average consumer who goes to best buy.



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:23AM  

They have certainly been working on streamlining their product line as they dsicussed in their most recent conference call. They do offer a lot of products on their site, but I can see that they are trying to narrow it down to a good 5 or so (ZVM, Zen Vision, Zen Micro Photo, Zen Neeon 2, and Zen V Plus). Don't get me wrong, I think some of these players definitely overalap. I don't think it's really hurt them, or confused the consumer so much that they couldn't decide either way.
Also for those that are wondering about the display:

CSTN stands for "color super-twist nematic" a form of passive matrix LCD (Liquid Crystal Display) for electronic display screens.

Originally developed by Sharp Electronics Corporation. Unlike TFT, CSTN is based on a passive matrix, which is less expensive to produce. The original CSTN displays developed in the early 90's suffered from slow response times and ghosting (where lit pixels in a row can affect the unlit pixels). Recent advances in the technology, however, have made CSTN a viable alternative to active matrix displays. New CSTN displays offer 100ms response times, a 140 degree viewing angle, and high-quality color rivaling TFT displays - all at about half the cost. A newer passive-matrix technology called High-Performance Addressing (HPA) offers even better response times and contrast than CSTN.

via Wikipedia: [Linky]

Also: I stayed up till 7am because I knew that's when Creative was going to post this on their site and I wanted to post it as soon as it was available there. I will be going to sleep now, and I think it's well deserved


[ edited Aug 03 (2006) 12:16AM ]



Steve

Comments: 1197
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:28AM  

I never thought i'd see another UMS from Creative! Nice!!!



hobo

Comments: 80
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:29AM  

this is too similar to the zen v- spec wise that is



Steve

Comments: 1197
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:32AM  

...and no touch controls, also very nice! It looks like it has a side mounted scroll lever like on some Sony and WM pda's, and my old mpio flash player. I like those a lot. This thing looks like a real winner!



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:37AM  

Yeah, it's the same controls found on the Zen Neeon. It looks almost identical to it's predecessor in terms of build and design. That toggle switch is also found on the Zen Xtra and Zen Nano players (probably more too).

From personal usage, it's a pretty decent means of controls. It allows for fast scrolling, as well as the ability to go down song by song with accurate precision. On the bad side, the controls are a little on the small side, and can be uncomfortable against your thumb if you hold it long enough.



dodap

Comments: 47
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:39AM  

How to use it? Where are the buttons, the click things or whatever?
And the usual: Why does Creative not have any manuals on their website? File-Tree or/and ID3-Tags? For a "leading" company (this is how they see themselves) this attempt once again is underwhelming!



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:40AM  

this looks really nice, the old neeon was a contender for my buck back in the day, this one is too....but are crative taking a step back?having to similar dap's competing against each other?

none the less, i like it.



Steve

Comments: 1197
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:44AM  

dodap, on the side view you can see the scroll lever, the pause/play button and the hold switch. On the other side you can make out two more buttons, probably volume up/down and menu. The scroll lever usually has a 'push to select' function. That's all you need.



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:46AM  

steve you are so buying this aren't you!



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:47AM  

Additionally dodap, very few companies release the manual as soon as a player is announced. This player will most likely be ID3 tags only

I can't wait to review this thing
[ edited Aug 02 (2006) 08:47AM ]



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:50AM  

michael you've got a lot on your plate review wise!, you've finally become part machine



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:54AM  

in those specs it says "Video: Transcoded AVI"

what file type are they transcoded to?



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 02 (2006) 08:57AM  

I do have a lot on my plate, and that's the way I like it. I told Rob reviewing players is fun, and he now thinks there's something mentally wrong with me.

Anways, as for the Transcoded AVI thing, I'm not sure what that means yet. I know for the Zen V Plus, it was Motion JPEG video, but it didn't say "Transcoded AVI" under the Zen V's specs, so it might be different. Time will tell.



Kam3

Comments: 53
 		Aug 02 (2006) 09:04AM  

Now I'm interested. UMS? They are listening. any idea on release date?



Steve

Comments: 1197
 		Aug 02 (2006) 09:21AM  

steve you are so buying this aren't you!


I don't know; the price-to-storage still gives me pause, and I have my eye on the Meizu M6....I think i'm gonna buy somethin' soon, cause I got the itch....



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 02 (2006) 09:41AM  

ey, thats a tough one, the ipod-esque multi format playing m6, or this super sexy, slightly limited neeon.....



Saijin_Naib
Location: Warren, NJ
Comments: 893
 		Aug 02 (2006) 09:42AM  

I do have a lot on my plate, and that's the way I like it. I told Rob reviewing players is fun, and he now thinks there's something mentally wrong with me.

I am the same way. I went and bought the Insignia just to be able to use it and stuff. I cant review it cause Lone has dibs but man, its so fun to just play with these things.
Back on topic, YAY FOR UMS CREATIVE! Jeez... Finally, something right. Dont get me wrong, MTP is okay if you have XP/WMP10/11 but its restrictive... This thing is nice! Now all they need is 6/8gb and Im a taker.



aniym

Comments: 65
 		Aug 02 (2006) 09:49AM  

Was the original Neeon a flash player? I once saw it at Circuit City for about $170, so I'm guessing no, as this was when the Nano had only been out for a few months.

While this does look a lot sleeker than the ZenV, I don't get Creative's decision to release it into the US market. It would have been one thing if North America got the Zen V, and Asia got the Neeon2, but apparently, the Neeon will be showing up here as well. Creative really need to make up their minds. Also, can they really afford to be churning out so many different types of models, with a new one every few months? It seems that they maintain this production schedule without discontinuing their older players. I'm still seeing dinosaurs like the Xtra and the Sleek on their pages. What gives?



Steve

Comments: 1197
 		Aug 02 (2006) 09:52AM  

ey, thats a tough one, the ipod-esque multi format playing m6, or this super sexy, slightly limited neeon.....


ya the M6 is sweet but touchpads make me crazy..i'll wait for the review which should be out in a few days.



Allen
Location: Dub Vee Ooo
Comments: 1511
 		Aug 02 (2006) 09:54AM  

Come on Creative!! You can do ums now just a little bit of ogg vorbis love please!



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 02 (2006) 09:58AM  

Was the original Neeon a flash player? I once saw it at Circuit City for about $170, so I'm guessing no, as this was when the Nano had only been out for a few months.


the original one was a hard drive dap, but then creative did introduce flash neeons aswell



Deano

Comments: 123
 		Aug 02 (2006) 10:02AM  

Wow, I never thought I would see Creative do another UMS player. Looks like an id3 tag browsing too, which means they'll have had to come up with some kind "scanner" when you turn it on. We can wait and see how that affects boot times.

It has a fairly impressive battery life too, although I'm sure it could be better in some people's eyes. 20 hours to me is pretty good, as I am used to about 8-10 with my Rockbox'd iPod at the moment.

I wish Creative would stop tempting me. It's getting very annoying. xD



Peacemaker636

Comments: 104
 		Aug 02 (2006) 10:13AM  

C'mon Creative! Why'd you even release the Zen V if this (which is much better IMO) was coming out a month later? I guess they do fit different life-styles though.



Saijin_Naib
Location: Warren, NJ
Comments: 893
 		Aug 02 (2006) 10:15AM  

I love your icon aniym. As for why the doubled up in the same sorta sector with this player... I have no idea... They must have some sort of plan though. Unless the panda is now head of marketing and research... in which case, expect lots of bamboo from now on.



Utew
Location: Oregon USA
Comments: 351
 		Aug 02 (2006) 10:31AM  

I like it.. and UMS (if true) makes it that much sweeter.. 4GB tops grates a bit...

..and yes Saijin, it's obvious that the Panda is in charge of Marketing.....
[ edited Aug 02 (2006) 01:30PM ]



Lacene
Location: Standing Here, Confused By Your
Comments: 827
 		Aug 02 (2006) 10:52AM  

I'm also confused why Creative is releasing the neeon 2 and the zen v.....what differences are there between the two DAP's that will make sense to have both of them sitting side-by-side in a brick-and-mortar store display?

the neeon 2 has about the same dimensions as the Sandisk Sansa, but is slightly shorter, and with a smaller screen. It looks slimmer than the zen v, even tho it's as thick, because the zen v is about 2/3's the length. UMS compliancy is a great added feature, but not a big enuf difference to create an individual niche for itself, and separate from the zen v, IMO.

With the neeon 2 around, what reason is there for someone to buy the zen v, and vice versa?

this is a real noggin-scratcher for me.....



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 02 (2006) 10:57AM  

yeah, makes me just want to buy a sansa....oh wait....:D



Lacene
Location: Standing Here, Confused By Your
Comments: 827
 		Aug 02 (2006) 11:08AM  

well, for $30 more, you can get 2GB more capacity, plus expandability for 1GB extra, plus a slightly larger screen, so that's not as much of a joke as you might think



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 02 (2006) 11:11AM  

i'm not joking, i intend on getting the sansa Lacene.



smokmylungs

Comments: 3
 		Aug 02 (2006) 11:19AM  

Its a really cool mp4, but thinking about it, I'd rather have an Sd-Slot and a Mp4 integrated with a Mobile.
Toshiba-803T Really and truly Fits my specs, its $300 for 2megapixel,Bluetooth, Colour Screen, Email / Web, GPRS, IRDA, Infrared, Java enabled, MMS enabled, MP3 Player with online downloading of mp3s, Polyphonic ringtones, avi video, USB, Vibration From Ebay.
Flip Fone bluddy nice, in my opinon it puts the current DAPS
to shame.

My Greatest Mistake turned out to be the best thing I ever did, I bought a Cheap unbranded mp4 that had the features i want but a crappy os, and Now I'm saving up for this Toshiba winner!

Conclution:
Creative have got out a worthy contender to Ipod, but its time for Creative to come out with Music Fones..IMO


Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 02 (2006) 11:24AM  

ahhhh resize!



Lone

Comments: 973
 		Aug 02 (2006) 11:25AM  

Lol, so much for Creative consolidating their product line.

I do agree that this does look better than the Zen V, but I'm not so sure about the CSTN screen (previously this type of screen has been used on cheapo players, see the site search). They really need to go with ZVM quality screens on their flash players instead of these cost effective crappier ones.

The name is pretty lame, this could've at least added a subtitle like some movie sequels do (Zen Neeon 2: Back in Black). Also, this is technically the 3rd iteration of the Neeon (microdrive, OLED flash, CSTN flash).

Finally, UMS. 'Bout time. And that looks like brushed metal backing too, nice.
[ edited Aug 02 (2006) 11:26AM ]



Barron

Comments: 44
 		Aug 02 (2006) 11:29AM  

does this not support album art as in creatives specs it does not mention it, but under the zen v's it has it in image support.



undesign

Comments: 786
 		Aug 02 (2006) 11:39AM  

Know what sucks about it? The Scroll LEVER.

Why a lever? That totally bogs down the potential speed of going through long library playlists. What it really needs is to be FULLY ROTATING "LEVER." Ugh, what a great product tainted by such a big nuissance. I'm sure it will sell lots and im also sure that for that price, with all its features and its 20>14 hour battery life, its a great buy, i know id definately consider the unit, looks awesome. Even if it doesnt rotate fully, people can and will manage (i know i do with my sony hd5) but WHY on earth would anyone just give people the stick with a lever when a wheel is perfectly possible.....the opportunity just SCREAMS for it to be used, and they didnt!
[ edited Aug 02 (2006) 11:41AM ]



Saijin_Naib
Location: Warren, NJ
Comments: 893
 		Aug 02 (2006) 11:42AM  

Im actually a fan of the creative lever. I loved using it on my cousins Zen Xtra... I find it intuitive, but agian, thats just me. @smokemylungs... creative wont make a DAP-phone for the simple reason that that isnt their market. Oh, and for a media player phone, get the samsung one for Verizon. Its nasty!



jbhitter24

Comments: 351
 		Aug 02 (2006) 12:02PM  

this is what alot of people i think have been waiting for from creative. if there is ever a 6gb version (though 4gb i acceptable), it will be the perfect middle of the road player, replacing the zen sleek and iriver h10, this player seems that it will fit alot of peoples needs.

psh, the lg chocolate pwns everyone saijin...
[ edited Aug 02 (2006) 12:03PM ]



HipHopScribe

Comments: 126
 		Aug 02 (2006) 12:10PM  

What is Creative doing? Why release the Zen V Plus if this was coming, they're nearly the same thing. Is UMS confirmed? Because the product page says Windows XP is required.

[ edited Aug 02 (2006) 12:14PM ]



pata2001

Comments: 141
 		Aug 02 (2006) 12:26PM  

Yeah, Creative + UMS is too good to be true. The requirement said winXP, which means it's an MTP device. An MTP device doesn't require driver on winXP, but useless on other OSes.

8 hours of video playback, now that's a good improvement, probably because it uses flash memory instead of power-sucking hard-drive. Still, video support is said as "transcoded AVI." I wish more and more companies follow iAudio A2, where transcoding is not needed for most of the time.



sdsdv10

Comments: 243
 		Aug 02 (2006) 12:29PM  

ssjmichael
I don't think it's really hurt them, or confused the consumer so much that they couldn't decide either way.


I think to a certain extent it will hurt them, as much as their current overly complex line of players does. The extra design, manufacturing, marketing and overhead costs of having two more or less redundant players will not be to their benefit. Outside of the external design and 5 hours of battery life, the Zen V and this are very similar (codec support, screen size, capacity, weight, Line in, voice recording, etc.). I believe it is unlikely that these two players will draw double the number of people away from the competitors. More likely than not, they will cannibalize sales from each other. Meaning no significant extra profits at the expensive of supporting two players. Not really a smart business move.

That being said, I definitely prefer this over the Zen V (Plus). I am not a big fan of joysticks, and the chubby design was not to my liking. This is a more sleek and interesting looking player. I look forward to your review.



enCORe_XTG

Comments: 317
 		Aug 02 (2006) 01:34PM  

the screen was good but no touch pad



Lacene
Location: Standing Here, Confused By Your
Comments: 827
 		Aug 02 (2006) 01:49PM  

Know what sucks about it? The Scroll LEVER.

Why a lever? That totally bogs down the potential speed of going through long library playlists. What it really needs is to be FULLY ROTATING "LEVER." Ugh, what a great product tainted by such a big nuissance. I'm sure it will sell lots and im also sure that for that price, with all its features and its 20>14 hour battery life, its a great buy, i know id definately consider the unit, looks awesome. Even if it doesnt rotate fully, people can and will manage (i know i do with my sony hd5) but WHY on earth would anyone just give people the stick with a lever when a wheel is perfectly possible.....the opportunity just SCREAMS for it to be used, and they didnt!


they can't make a lever feature where it scrolls per-line as you nudge it, but then if you hold it down, it scrolls continuously, slowly at first, then switches to a VERY fast scroll after a second or two? That seems like a simple solution to your issue with it....



Saijin_Naib
Location: Warren, NJ
Comments: 893
 		Aug 02 (2006) 01:52PM  

Thats how it works...



PeterDLai
Location: San Diego/Los Angeles, California
Comments: 149
 		Aug 02 (2006) 02:54PM  

Wow if it really is UMS/MSC, then I'm proud of Creative.



musicman

Comments: 336
 		Aug 02 (2006) 03:00PM  

I like the front on view, the buttons on the side look a bit cheap & plasticy though.



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 02 (2006) 03:25PM  

I edited my post and took away the "WMA Protected" part because it isn't listed on their site (I automatically assumed it would). Some people at epiZENter.net have wondered whether this is really UMS as well, and I'm still going to say yes. Cnet asia mentions its a mass storage device, and Creative's site seems to indicate the same. If it's not and someone can show that it's not then I'll edit it.
[ edited Aug 02 (2006) 03:45PM ]



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 02 (2006) 04:09PM  

Lacene wrote ...
well, for $30 more, you can get 2GB more capacity, plus expandability for 1GB extra, plus a slightly larger screen, so that's not as much of a joke as you might think


Lacene, didn't you hear? sandisk has 2GB microSD cards coming august 7th for $99.
[Linky]



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 02 (2006) 04:21PM  

microSD, nokia are support them. O/T i know....



Saijin_Naib
Location: Warren, NJ
Comments: 893
 		Aug 02 (2006) 04:22PM  

samsung are support them too.



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 02 (2006) 04:24PM  

i will now definetly be buying an 8gb sansa when it comes out....this is such a great news story



kuhla

Comments: 46
 		Aug 02 (2006) 05:08PM  

Nice! This just shot to the top of my list of players I am considering buying.



Lacene
Location: Standing Here, Confused By Your
Comments: 827
 		Aug 02 (2006) 05:22PM  

zip22 wrote ...

Lacene, didn't you hear? sandisk has 2GB microSD cards coming august 7th for $99.
[Linky]



yeh, I've been hearing about it being due for release for quite awhile......when I look the other way, it pops out.

But I figured it was coming out soon, because the prices on the 1GB microSD have been dropping like rocks, lately....


[ edited Aug 02 (2006) 05:24PM ]



srika
Location: Chicago
Comments: 50
 		Aug 02 (2006) 05:26PM  

is this a joke?



Echo_

Comments: 60
 		Aug 02 (2006) 05:41PM  

yes srika its a giant joke

everybody laugh now



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 02 (2006) 05:50PM  

you would think so srika, considering creative said they were going to streamline things.

i like the aesthetic of this much better than the zen v, though.



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 02 (2006) 05:51PM  

I'm still not sure if this will even be available outside of asia. It's not on the Creative's US site yet. They'd be fools to not release it here though
[ edited Aug 02 (2006) 05:52PM ]



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 02 (2006) 06:02PM  

maybe they are streamlining for the US and complicating things for asia.



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 02 (2006) 06:08PM  

The conference call was from their N. American office. I've noticed the separation of decisions in DAP companies that have worldwide offices. Companies like iriver and Cowon for instance. A lot of the things that are said and/or offered for the American sectors don't hold true worldwide and vice-versa. It'd be better if these companies shared a unified goal amongst the different offices.

Additionally as I told you before I ws the one that interpreted the "streamling their product line" as a means for them removing their older players. I do recall them saying they were going to streamline their players to make them all have popular functions (like video), but we discussed it in real time during the conference call and assumed they would be reducing their inventory of older models as a consequence of that (and they have been). So in reality, they actually are following through by streamlining their line with similiar features and functions. That means they could still realease a lot of players, but each one will offer things that are higher in demand (high capacity flash, color screens, video, etc..)

In the end, It makes no difference to me , I'm getting one either way


[ edited Aug 02 (2006) 06:18PM ]



pecker

Comments: 501
 		Aug 02 (2006) 06:39PM  

i guess they feel they can compete against the ipod nano better with to aesthetically different models than release one model which might not appeal to somebodies taste, so they may sell loads more due to taste differences.

Most people say ipod are so good due to there style...this is obviously a marketing skill so they made 2 seperate designs



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 02 (2006) 06:45PM  

Another thing I'll add, the Neeon is a lot more popular in Asia, especially in places like Japan where they like those cute kind of players. I think they looked at that popularity and felt the need to upgrade the Neeon line, rather than just kill it off. No one would discontinue a line if it did well. If you look at some of the Stik On's they are made specifically with Japanese consumers in mind.This might be the reason we're only seeing it for Asia right now too, since the original didn't do to well here. IThe flash (OLED) version wasn't even released here.

[ edited Aug 02 (2006) 06:47PM ]



bloodycape

Comments: 705
 		Aug 02 (2006) 09:38PM  

I like this more than the Zen V plus but it sill looks to plain to me.

If someone is looking at a cellphone with dap features I hear the best one out is that Sony with like a 4gig of space and expansion slot(too bad it's those meory stick cards). That is if you are on a GSM service. For us CDMA the best would be a Samsun and the newer LGs. But I still think it is more efficient to carry around two devices. Since you have to worry about space left. I carry around a Treo and my A2 and no complaints here.



Vision

Comments: 22
 		Aug 02 (2006) 10:06PM  

The UMS feature is what I like best. The video playing is a bonus where I can prob just add some comedy short clips I enjoy downloading from the net from time to time.

I must say Creative has clean up the design on this one, looking at its dimension, it should be pretty small and confortable to hold in the hand and pocket.


zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 02 (2006) 11:09PM  

ssjmichael wrote ...
No one would discontinue a line if it did well.


ipod mini

and streamlining is streamlining. you're coming up with excuses. they are releasing 2 players that are pretty much identical feature wise. that is not streamlining. it is the opposite of streamlining.
[ edited Aug 02 (2006) 11:11PM ]



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 03 (2006) 12:06AM  

If streamling is streamlining, then according to Websters it is To bring up to date (aka Modernize). I'm sure you would agree with that, no?

How was that against what I said they were doing? No part of the conference call did they explicitly say they were getting rid of the amount of players they had. They only mentioned things related to modernizing it with more competitive features, which is precisely what streamlining is. Creative's way of saying streamling is perfectly in line with that definition. Wouldn't you agree? Of course you won't.

If streamlining is modernizing their line, which they did with the Neeon (updating it with a color screen, higher capacity, and video support), how is that the opposite (i.e. not bringing it up to date)? You are wrong according to the definition above. In no way am I making excuses, since I was also one of the first to argue hat the players seem repetitive and have continued to do so at epizenter.

The definition is there for you to interpret however you want. We don''t know how they are interpreting it, but I am certain it is leaning towards the way I am, since it sounds almost identical to the meaning of the word.

I said all I needed to say on the whole streamlining debate, feel free to disagree and provide your own definitions and/or interpretations that go against Websters. You'll be arguing the remainer by yourself.

I suggest others hold back from this specific debate as well, as that's how these posts get too off-topic. I'll only discuss the Neeon 2 from here on.




[ edited Aug 03 (2006) 12:50AM ]



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 03 (2006) 12:51AM  

this is the definition i think of from websters when you or they used "streamline" in reference to their product line: (its interesting you chose not to link to the dictionary, since there is a definition that precisely fits what i am using it as - and what you and others have been using it as in the past)

[url=http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/streamlining wrote ...
merriam-webster[/url]]b : to make simpler or more efficient


since the only other times you have brought up the streamlining reference was in situations where we talked about how creative has so many different models, i am fairly sure thats the definition you were thinking of as well. it was never brought up in the context of "creatives players are so outdated" it was always "creative needs to get rid of all the extraneous players and focus on a select few" - i.e. simplify the lineup. at least thats how i have always interpretted it from the first time it was discussed.

i have no idea how you consider this off topic. we are talking about the addition of the neeon 2 to creatives lineup which dilutes their flash pool and effectively complicates (un-streamlines) their product lineup.
[ edited Aug 03 (2006) 12:52AM ]



Echo_

Comments: 60
 		Aug 03 (2006) 12:55AM  

i dont know about you guys but for me
neeon > v plus


zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 03 (2006) 12:59AM  

time for your old news post to come and bite you right square in the ass, ssj.

[url=http://epizenter.net/comment.php?comment.news.131 wrote ...
ssjmichael[/url]]Streamlining inventory and Mid-Range players

Firstly, they mentioned their plans to streamline their products and lower inventory. For me, this implies a reduction in the number of products we will see offered from them.

enjoy the rest of your night, folks.

[ edited Aug 03 (2006) 01:03AM ]



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 03 (2006) 01:07AM  

Uh, did I not say that's how I personally interpreted it back then? or do you just pick and choose what you want to see? In fact I read that right before I posted my last post. The key word is "For Me" meaning, it was not an objective interpretion, but what I got out the conference call while listening to it live.

If that's your way of denying my point above of what streamling really is then you did a good escape job and its apparent. I interpreted wrong back then and have admitted so in the past, but that does not mean they are still not streamlining the products according to the real definition.

Do you actually have a counter for the actual defintition? or are you just trying to point out like I did with myself, that my original interpretation from a conference call was incorrect?

Okay,Now that I've gotten that clarification publicly for you and others who just might also may have been picking and choosing certain statements I'ves said and completely ignoring others .. I will go back to the topic at hand. Anything else related to streamlining will have to be done privately zip and others, or in a thread perhaps in the forum?. I thank you in advance for complying with this.

[ edited Aug 03 (2006) 01:31AM ]



undesign

Comments: 786
 		Aug 03 (2006) 01:18AM  

zips real name is tyler?



timmins

Comments: 270
 		Aug 03 (2006) 02:36AM  

wow tyler, get laid.



undesign

Comments: 786
 		Aug 03 (2006) 02:37AM  

^LOL



kgrim024

Comments: 6
 		Aug 03 (2006) 02:48AM  

Let's focus on the player, shall we?

I love it! I can't believe it has 8 hours of video life... nice. Even better than the vision M.



kgrim024

Comments: 6
 		Aug 03 (2006) 02:48AM  

Obviously it's not comparable to the vision M, but still impressive for what it is.



timmins

Comments: 270
 		Aug 03 (2006) 03:19AM  

8 hours is great, but I see the video feature on a 1.5 screen being almost completely useless. I have 1.8 inches on my X5 and watching more than an episode of how it's made or family guy is not something I do.



undesign

Comments: 786
 		Aug 03 (2006) 03:44AM  

imo, they should focus more on the audio capabilities than video on such small devices, ie; ums/umt (creative has a HUGE advantage over apple with that), sound quality, BATTERY LIFE, removable battery, EQs, format support, etc etc.

yeah, video @ 8 hours looks good....but.....really, not even video ipodders care.



anthonyofvenice

Comments: 9
 		Aug 03 (2006) 03:50AM  

so is this for Asian market only, and the v is for the rest?



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 03 (2006) 04:08AM  

Right now it seems like it's just for the Asian market, but so far it's gotten a lot of good responses and Creative would be foolish to not release it here. The Zen V and V Plus are available in asia too so they get both. If you want this to be released here, send an email to Creative
[ edited Aug 03 (2006) 04:09AM ]



4vo

Comments: 160
 		Aug 03 (2006) 06:16AM  

I didn't used to think that the Zen V looked to much like a toy.. but the release of the Neeon 2 does make the ZV look like a toy in comparison. Although it does look aesthetically appealing, I still think the black iPod Nano is the best-looking player on the market. Then again, the Neeon 2 doesn't look too far off IMO and it boasts a much more impressive feature set.

As for the Sansa argument, I'd rather choose the Neeon 2 if it offered the promising sound quality Creative is known for.



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 03 (2006) 06:25AM  

after seeing some better pics of a black zen v i no longer think it looks like a toy, it is very simplistic looking and most ppl will like that...

i wonder would the neeon look better with a gigabeat-esque screen rather than this 320x320?



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 03 (2006) 07:05AM  

ssjmichael wrote ...
Do you actually have a counter for the actual defintition?


did you miss my previous reply?

this is the definition i think of from websters when you or they used "streamline" in reference to their product line: (its interesting you chose not to link to the dictionary, since there is a definition that precisely fits what i am using it as - and what you and others have been using it as in the past)

[url=http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/streamlining wrote ...
merriam-webster[/url]]b : to make simpler or more efficient


since the only other times you have brought up the streamlining reference was in situations where we talked about how creative has so many different models, i am fairly sure thats the definition you were thinking of as well. it was never brought up in the context of "creatives players are so outdated" it was always "creative needs to get rid of all the extraneous players and focus on a select few" - i.e. simplify the lineup. at least thats how i have always interpretted it from the first time it was discussed.

i have no idea how you consider this off topic. we are talking about the addition of the neeon 2 to creatives lineup which dilutes their flash pool and effectively complicates (un-streamlines) their product lineup.

in addition, it looks like some members of epizenter are also using the definition that both you and i (at least you at one point) believed.
Utew wrote ...
So much for consolidation of Creative's plethora of different players....

Bitshitter wrote ...
I thought a primary goal of Creative's was to streamline their DAP line-up, and get rid of repetitive models that look slightly different, but offer the same thing, to help eliminate consumer confusion....


[ edited Aug 03 (2006) 07:14AM ]



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 03 (2006) 07:21AM  

that arguement ended 11comments ago, we've moved on, you should too.



sdsdv10

Comments: 243
 		Aug 03 (2006) 08:05AM  

I concur. Zip, I generally like you comments but I respectively ask you to follow Michael's request.

And I quote:
I will go back to the topic at hand. Anything else related to streamlining will have to be done privately zip and others, or in a thread perhaps in the forum?.


sdsdv10

Comments: 243
 		Aug 03 (2006) 08:12AM  

To get back on topic, Michael with such a full plate when do you think you will be getting to the review of the Neeon 2? A couple of weeks, months? Roughly, nothing specific.

Would it be possible for you to start a forum post outlining a list of players you plan to review with a word or two on status. I don't mean a completion date, as these would constantly be changing, but something like DAP ordered, Player in hand, Currently Evaluating, etc. I don't want to make even more work for you, but since the questions seems to keep coming up a forum post (or stickie) might make answering it a little easier and accessable. Just a thought.



Anthony7

Comments: 98
 		Aug 03 (2006) 09:18AM  

As for the Sansa argument, I'd rather choose the Neeon 2 if it offered the promising sound quality Creative is known for.

I have my eye on SanDisk, but although the Neon looks nicer to me then the V, at least the Sansa players are expandable (I don't know what the sound quality is between SanDisk and Creative). The prices of memory are dropping, and the microSD cards that the Sansas use are going to get cheaper as someone else had said in another post.
What I don't like about Creative is (the Sleek Photo for example--which I purchased when the price dropped after getting rid of my Touch), when they release certain players, not all; they seem to abandon it (no firmware feature updates, etc.). Creative players have great sound quality like Rio did IMO if not better, but to me it seems like they walk away (upgrade wise) from players that are no longer popular to Creative.
Aesthetically, the Neon looks nice, I didn't like the look of the V too much.



Saijin_Naib
Location: Warren, NJ
Comments: 893
 		Aug 03 (2006) 09:27AM  

I tried to get my hands on the OLED neeon 1 but when I found it was MTP i ran away. This looks exteremly interesting, especially with UMS (if such is the case in reality). As for watching videos and stuff on a 1.5in screen, I watched the whole series of the office on my uxcell tiger which had 1.2in if im not mistaken (plus it was .amv crap format) and it was livable. 1.5in will be fine just so long as the stuff your watching isnt subtitled.



Lacene
Location: Standing Here, Confused By Your
Comments: 827
 		Aug 03 (2006) 10:31AM  

In regards to the sound quality of the Sansa, I find my e260 has very good, flat reproduction across the board, very clear and somewhat similar to my ZVM, but the volume is not quite there. This is more the case with OEM headphones - not so much the case with IEM's (I'm pretty much satisfied with the volume in that regard)....

The Sansa has better bass than the iPod nano, IMO....not as much as the ZVM, or even my old Pocket DJ (a re-badged Creative with similar components), but I'm not sure if that's because the overall volume is just lower, or the Sansa just doesn't reproduce bass as well, as pretty much everything is to a lesser degree. I don't know if most small flash DAP's have this issue with lower volumes, as well.....

I've always felt that my music players should have a few degrees of volume where the players' limits exceed my ears' limits. I know all about the hazards of excessive volume to one's hearing, but I just feel having more volume in that regard means having more control of the music. There are some songs that I like to jack up to a rather un-safe level, in order to capture every note, but it's OK because of the nature of the song (quiet, low in percussions), whereas with that same volume level for some rock songs, I have to quickly turn it down. But with the Sansa, I find that I often try to turn up the volume, but I'm already at the maximum level. As I said, this is usually the case with open, OEM's....

but despite the volume level, the QUALITY of the music is very good, IMO...
[ edited Aug 03 (2006) 11:00AM ]



TheBigNewt

Comments: 6
 		Aug 03 (2006) 12:56PM  

Lacene, sounds like you may have had the volume turned up too loud in your younger days (like I did), heh heh!



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Aug 03 (2006) 01:21PM  

I saw the Zen V in Walmart today, it doesn't look like a toy at all. Now, if I had a choice between the Neeon2 and the V, it would be the Neeon 2. The Neeon2 looks to be ideal for running because of the button layout.



timmins

Comments: 270
 		Aug 03 (2006) 02:14PM  

good point, it seems like the controls are accessible without looking at the screen, definately a plus for tactile controls.



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 03 (2006) 03:19PM  

sdsdv10, the Neeon 2 won't be coming out till Late August if not September so it'll probably be a while before I get my hands on one. It'd be harder if it's just exclusive to Asia. I'm still waiting for the Zen V Plus to be get released here, and not's apparently not for another few weeks either.

About the review status question. We have something like that privately for the crewmembers, but I'll run the idea of a public one past them to see what they think about it.

Additionally, some (here and at epizenter) were wondering whether this was truly a UMS device or not, so I emailed Edvarcl Heng over at CNet asia, and this is his reply to me:

My preview was conducted with an engineering unit of the Zen Neeon 2. Based on my experience with it, the prototype unit is an UMS device. However, it may not be the case with the final retail unit. I have emailed Creative and will get back to you once I have the answer.


Saijin_Naib
Location: Warren, NJ
Comments: 893
 		Aug 03 (2006) 03:26PM  

Hows austins review on the Karma going? or is that not public domain yet



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 03 (2006) 04:01PM  

Saijin, sdsdv10, and Lacene please stay on topic. any questions regarding upcoming reviews or the sansa can be taken care of in the forum or via PMs. and please don't discuss creative's business plans by releasing the neeon 2. that can be dealt with there, too.



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 03 (2006) 04:05PM  

ha ha



Saijin_Naib
Location: Warren, NJ
Comments: 893
 		Aug 03 (2006) 04:16PM  

My god are you self important zip. argue the semantics of undesigns post VIA pm or in the forum as well.
As for the neeon 2, if the final word is that its UMS and coming out here, I think it will do well enough. Its got a great feature set and is different enough from the ZV to warrant its sale.



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 03 (2006) 04:25PM  

aparently the sarcasm didn't come through enough for you. if you looked through all the posts above, thats what ssj was telling me. we can't talk about creative's q3 earnings conference call and its relation to the release of the neeon 2 except in the forum or in PMs. we must stay on topic. "looks good" "ums maybe" "i might buy it" "i won't buy it" rinse, repeat.

how is it different enough from the zv?



Saijin_Naib
Location: Warren, NJ
Comments: 893
 		Aug 03 (2006) 04:29PM  

sorry, im edgy from the heat use a smiley, otherwise it makes you look like a smartass. I think someone said that before once
Different enough? Well, if its UMS thats different enough right there for the people who dont like MTP. Its form is longer so it doesnt look as chubby. Different control scheme... I donno.. I mean, it could potentially fill the same niche, but judging by the comments here and on the ZV thread it is different enough to be considered over or under the ZV. To me thats significant. Should they have made this and the ZV? Dunno, Im no marketing genius, but I sure hope that panda is doing his research



Lacene
Location: Standing Here, Confused By Your
Comments: 827
 		Aug 03 (2006) 04:37PM  

Anthony7 wrote ...
I have my eye on SanDisk, but although the Neon looks nicer to me then the V, at least the Sansa players are expandable (I don't know what the sound quality is between SanDisk and Creative).


I was just trying my best to answer Anthony7's question concerning sound quality of the Sansa, which he referred to in direct relation to the Neeon 2 (or Creative DAP's, in general)....

I could've given him my opinion of the Sansa's sound quality compared to the Neeon 2's sound quality, but alas...I have not heard the Neeon 2. In light of this, I did the best I could.....

so my comment concerning the Sansa's sound quality was indirectly in relation to this news post.....

your comments, zip, seem to be directly in relation to you possibly getting a (not so) future reprimand, of some sort, from certain administration of this site.....
[ edited Aug 03 (2006) 04:38PM ]



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 03 (2006) 04:39PM  

hahaha.....right lets poor some water on this potential fire......


....there we go.....everyone cooled off....

zip what do you think of the neeon 2?ignoring the direct competition with the zen v



Anthony7

Comments: 98
 		Aug 03 (2006) 04:46PM  

...and I appreciate Lacene's response., and in light of the question I had asked, it wasn't really off topic.



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 03 (2006) 04:48PM  

water, water, water....a flood of water......



Saijin_Naib
Location: Warren, NJ
Comments: 893
 		Aug 03 (2006) 04:52PM  

trying to make me pee?



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 03 (2006) 04:53PM  

i aleady said i like it better than the zen v. i think the sansa has a leg up since it goes to 6GB (8GB soon?) and the expandability. i am also more curious about the new nanos than a zen v (fraternal) twin.

ssj, since you think creative's plan has been to update players all along, do expect a sleek2? touch2? s2002?

even if creative meant that where going to be updating old players, they really should have meant what you and i and everyone else thought in the begining. updating old players and keeping very very similar players in the line-up can't be good for the bottomline.

anthony, your question was off topic and any subsequent replies are also off topic. :p in fact, me just talking about it is off topic. this can all be taken care of in the forum or in private messages. hopefully this topic will be locked because of all the off topicness.
[ edited Aug 03 (2006) 04:56PM ]



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 03 (2006) 04:57PM  

thanks zip, what do you like about the neeon 2?



srika
Location: Chicago
Comments: 50
 		Aug 03 (2006) 05:09PM  


Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 03 (2006) 05:12PM  

I never said I knew it all along. You showed yourself how I interpreted their plans intially. I do think updating some of their current with popular/competitive features is what they mean now though. Of all the players you mentioned I could see them making an updated version of the Sleek. I'm not saying that makes sense since they already have the ZVM, but I'm merely answering your question.

The Neeon2 is an Asian exclusive right now. I believe they felt the need to update the Neeon series because it has been popular in Asia. How else would you have updated the Neeon series, if not to put in a color screen and their popular GUI in it? Adding video is one of those "Why not" decisions in my book.

If I was to look at the Zen V Plus as an updated version of a player, it'd have to be the Zen Micro Photo. I would imagine they have also realized the transition from mid-range microdrive players to high capacity flash, and also feel the Zen V series is the replacement for the ZM/P. Who's to say for sure though.

Finally I can also see them making a color screen version of a simple-profile player like the Zen Nano Plus

If I ran the company this is probably the product line I'd have:

1.) Zen Vision:M -30gb (and 60gb hopefully soon) DAP/PMP hybrid

2.) Zen Vision - PMP (this will probably get updated in the future with an X-Fi version)

3.) Zen Neeon 2 - Design-wise, I'd change it and add a touchpad and removable li-on battery (and a 2" screen)

4.) Zen N Plus - Whatever you call a replacement to the Zen Nano. This is for those that want a color screen player but don't need much more than that. Sort've like the Sansa C100 series.

As you see I wouldn't have the Zen V Plus there. I like the design very much now, but for it to exist with the Neeon 2, it'd have to offer something different, likea microdrive player with 12GB's for instance (I think there's still a market for that capacity microdrive) and a larger and better screen. Basically a microdrive Zen Vision:M (touchpad and all).


[ edited Aug 03 (2006) 05:23PM ]



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 03 (2006) 05:13PM  

mainly just the physical appearance. UMS is nice too, but neither are enough to warrant spending the time and money developing, manufacturing, marketing, and selling a completely new player. either release this player, or release the zen v. not both. giving the option of UMS on the zen v would be a significantly cheaper way to appeal to that market (if thats what they're after with this - which isn't even clear yet).



jbhitter24

Comments: 351
 		Aug 03 (2006) 05:29PM  

wow, im amazed that theres over 100 posts for this, and most of them are actually related to the item.

i wonder if the casing scratches easily, it looks kind of like the h10 metal.



dap_pad

Comments: 519
 		Aug 03 (2006) 05:59PM  

same here jbhitter wow this is the most comment's ive seen for a news post... quite contraversial topics though... alot of flaming though... as usual and actually i like it it looks stylish but maybe they should update to 6 GB to better accomdate the competition. (Nano, e200)
[ edited Aug 03 (2006) 06:01PM ]



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 03 (2006) 06:02PM  

not really dap_pad, surely you can see how tame this thread is.



Flid

Comments: 262
 		Aug 03 (2006) 07:15PM  

I agree with Dominic. This has to be a news item / comments record of some kind. :p I'm very impressed with the minimal amount of flaming and distinct lack of iPod reference throughout. Obviously ignoring the minor side step in to the interpretation of the word streamlining (of which I agree with Zip's interpretation and the real English definition rather than Webster's US )

Anyway... on topic. The Neeon2 is a very nice looking player. I really like the shape and ergonomic positioning of the buttons and jog wheel. Looks like it'd be very comfortable in the hand (in your pocket aswell). Battery life is a step in the right direction. UMS... hmmm we'll have to wait and see (I'd be surprised if it is). !mistrust



pecker

Comments: 501
 		Aug 03 (2006) 07:39PM  

I kno what MTP and UMS is but what do they stand for??

All words are interpretted in different ways in different cultures!

I love the design, i like the scroller wheel better than any other, they are more acurate imo.

Id buy it if it was 8gb but that is in a dream world up in the clouds



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 03 (2006) 08:10PM  

MTP - media transfer protocol

UMS - usb mass storage (also know as MSC - mass storage class i assume)



Lacene
Location: Standing Here, Confused By Your
Comments: 827
 		Aug 03 (2006) 09:11PM  

truth, justice, and the American way......



timmins

Comments: 270
 		Aug 03 (2006) 10:52PM  

puttting truth/justice and the American way in the same sentence is kind of hypocritical don't cha think. At least under this new regimes "amercan way".



jbhitter24

Comments: 351
 		Aug 03 (2006) 11:02PM  

come on now man! this has been such a productive newspost here. lets not start a flame war now. :p



gstom1

Comments: 41
 		Aug 04 (2006) 12:13AM  


undesign

Comments: 786
 		Aug 04 (2006) 12:53AM  

^Thats a dirty rotten lie, tyler is nowhere near as goodlooking as Brad Pitt, and im not even gay to know that fact.



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 04 (2006) 01:19AM  

are you still wearing makeup, undesign? (well just "concealers and such") or have you grown out of the makeup phase since 2 years ago?



undesign

Comments: 786
 		Aug 04 (2006) 01:31AM  

yes, i wear lots of it, pink wedding dresses, high heels and a pushup bra on sundays, and when im done, i log onto dapreview and wank to all of ure comments.



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 04 (2006) 01:41AM  

really? when you posted about your makeup usage in your journal it didn't seem that over the top, but i guess things have progressed from then.



undesign

Comments: 786
 		Aug 04 (2006) 01:45AM  

Nah, dont worry about makeup tyler, i wear that when i look more drugged than Raoul Duke, it kinna helps with job interviews and the ladies (dont worry, ure time will come too.........relationships, that is, im not sure of ure preference though i heard you like ipods, so whatever floats ure boat).



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 04 (2006) 01:53AM  

so you do still have a thing for johnny depp? you talked about him in the same journal entry. did you ever grow your hair long like him?

[ edited Aug 04 (2006) 01:55AM ]



undesign

Comments: 786
 		Aug 04 (2006) 01:55AM  

No more of a thing for him than your thing for Michael Jackson.

Yes.



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 04 (2006) 01:57AM  

[Linky]

for anyone wondering what i'm talking about.
[ edited Aug 04 (2006) 01:59AM ]



undesign

Comments: 786
 		Aug 04 (2006) 02:01AM  

tyler/zip22, youre so insecure.

LOL.



zip22

Comments: 1809
 		Aug 04 (2006) 02:06AM  

undesign wrote ...
im not even gay


undesign wrote ...
metrosexuals are VERY straight, they love women (i do!


undesign wrote ...
nowhere near as goodlooking as Brad Pitt


undesign wrote ...
maybe its time to come out of the closet?


insecure? i don't know if thats something you should be tossing around.



undesign

Comments: 786
 		Aug 04 (2006) 02:15AM  

Tyler, listening to you make an arguement is like watching CNN. All bias, all taken out of context, all twisted around. I did make a point a couple days ago that you bend the truth, today you have proved that claim.

And yes, i am very secure about my metrosexual tendencies, incase you havent noticed, you did just post some comments i made PUBLICLY, or did that just go right over your head? I think it did.

PS. None of your last comments had any relevance, your no brad pitt, though u for some reason had to go off on implying something else about me, clearly knowing it wouldnt be true by posting something that actually verified your crap being total bollocks.

Its past your bedtime, therefor this will be my last comment to you for the day, i dont want to keep you up, its obvious you still live with mom and dad and/or havent reached puberty yet.

Goodnight.



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 04 (2006) 02:16AM  

Enough, the two of you or you're both getting your acccounts suspended.



timmins

Comments: 270
 		Aug 04 (2006) 02:50AM  

@undesign.................. buuuuuuuuuuurrrrnnnnnnnnn, lol.



Saijin_Naib
Location: Warren, NJ
Comments: 893
 		Aug 04 (2006) 09:29AM  

Michael, has the guy from CNET confirmed whether this is slated for US release yet? Or whether they kept the UMS design?



dasmenneke

Comments: 135
 		Aug 04 (2006) 10:17AM  

zip: are you a lawyer ? to lazy to check your profile but always like them nice responses.
Btw how much time do you spend on dapreview ? (and looking up things that other people said for your replies)



3284lmm
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Comments: 358
 		Aug 04 (2006) 02:31PM  

Now this is hilarious !



Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2786
 		Aug 04 (2006) 03:59PM  

Saijin_Naib, He did confirm with Creative that it will be UMS. I didn't ask him about a US release, but right now I don't think Creative has plans for one.



Saijin_Naib
Location: Warren, NJ
Comments: 893
 		Aug 04 (2006) 04:08PM  

Suhweet That means Ill be checking for it on ebay within a few months



prophit5

Comments: 1
 		Aug 09 (2006) 10:36PM  

Does anyone know how good the line-in recording quality is? A friend of mine had the ZEN Nano Plus or MuVo, and he said it only recorded to mono. I am interested in hookin this up to turntables to record live sets (when I can't bring my laptop).

Also, any news on whether the Neeon 2 will ever come to the US, or when they will release the 4GB version? My 4G iPod died after just over a year. I am so fed up with Apple and their brainwashing. Beautiful packaging can only get them so far. I am ready for something new.



fulham

Comments: 1
 		Aug 18 (2006) 08:20AM  

when will we see it on markets?



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 18 (2006) 08:34AM  

asia only it seems



epithetless
Location: Boston, Mass
Comments: 149
 		Aug 18 (2006) 11:13AM  

Dominic, where was that reported? (My smiley face is frowning too.)



Dominic
Location: Ireland.
Comments: 2396
 		Aug 18 (2006) 11:22AM  

it wasn't. but ask over at epizenter.



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DaHarder
TDS...

I couldn't help myself - In for 3 of those WOOTs - LOL!

DaHarder
Yea! It's here Android 2.1 for the DROID

TheDarkSide
Sandisk Sansa Clip 8GB MP3 Player for $32.99 on woot: [Linky]

Dominic
lol

Step666
[Linky]

TheDarkSide
Forgot the link: [Linky]

TheDarkSide
OMG!!!! I can't post the meaning of my name, but #2 & #3 is actually me. But, I did get a decent amount of action cause I'm great @#1,............

Dominic
That's great...my skills are average at best

Step666
Yeah but my one's true


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