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iriver S10 is small and all
comment: 52 | Wednesday, September 13 (2006) 05:23AM | Posted by Robert Sinke
We've reported on upcoming small iriver stuff a couple of weeks ago, and now these crazy Koreans come up with cute little goods indeed. Enter, iriver S10. One hella-tiny version of the Clix/U10 concept, so it might seem.

Only putting some 17.5 grams of weight in the scale, the S10 is more lightweight than e.g. MobiBLU's Cube (2) or the Datasafe Oomi. In total the thingy measures 42 x 30 x 10.8 mm and it'll be able to play MP3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and ASF audio files. As a comparision, the newly-announced iPod shuffle (still screenless) measures 41.2 x 27.3 x 10.5mm while weighing 15.5 grams; it was announced to be the world's "smallest DAP". The S10 is tiny alright.

Memory capacities go up to 2GB (flash mem of course) from what we can tell right now, there is a USB2.0-compatible port in there and the color screen might be tiny (1.15-inch diagonal, 65k color OLED)... but it does take up almost the entire front side and will allow for picture browsing (not sure if video compatibility is in the mix, and whether that would be very useful to begin with or not). Also, an FM tuner has been thrown into the mix - same goes for a built-in voice recorder.

Of course, there's a downside to all this "extreme compactness" broughhaha: battery life is rated at a mere 8 hours per charge. And we don't know much about retail pricing either... style doesn't come cheap, quite often. Release date is said to be "soon enough".

More info here & here

Thanks, aoshi98 & michaelzhang

Update: AVing claims that the 1GB version will cost about 159k Won and the 2GB edition has an MSRP of 199k Won (165 & 209 USD respectively... keep in mind that direct currency conversions tend to be quite useless in this market branch).
Comments

Deano

Comments: 123
Sep 13 (2006) 06:05AM  

Just when I was thinking the 2G Shuffle was a tiny piece of kit, iRiver come up with something just as tiny.

Thing is, they already have several things up on Apple:

- A Screen.
- FM Tuner
- OGG Support

Shame we can't get gapless eh? It's a pity about the battery life, that is a big killer. I am still interested though. Guess we can wait and see how pricey this thing really is.




Allen
Location: Dub Vee Ooo
Comments: 1511
Sep 13 (2006) 06:12AM  

It looks purty s10>shuffle (it has a screen, fm radio, AND does ogg vorbis)




608zz
Location: DC metro area.
Comments: 270
Sep 13 (2006) 06:27AM  

I just hope that Cowon doesn't try to "beat" this by "innovating" yet smaller, less efficient audio devices.




Fluidity

Comments: 190
Sep 13 (2006) 06:35AM  

Looks great but the 8 hours battery life which is normally less with OGG would unfortunately kill it for me. Amazingly close in size to the new shuffle though considering the screen is in there too.




thesamc

Comments: 11
Sep 13 (2006) 08:25AM  

That's the same as the N20!




Lacene
Location: Standing Here, Confused By Your
Comments: 841
Sep 13 (2006) 08:33AM  

not too bad....as small as the new shuffle, but with a screen and twice the capacity. The 8 hours playback sucks, though.....they need to get the batteries that the shuffle uses, although 12 hours is not out of this world, either....
[ edited Sep 13 (2006) 08:34AM ]




Steve

Comments: 1197
Sep 13 (2006) 09:38AM  

They might be using the same size battery, but with 'extras' like a screen it would naturally not last as long.




timmins

Comments: 270
Sep 13 (2006) 09:51AM  

exactly, both batteries are probably 450 mah.




gimmix

Comments: 7
Sep 13 (2006) 10:08AM  

oh my god! iriver stop that damn small stuff and get us a bigger u10 with hdd!!!




Steve

Comments: 1197
Sep 13 (2006) 10:11AM  

To me the S10 is way cooler than the Shuffle2, for putting a complete dap into that small size. It's not as challenging if you leave out major features like a screen; it takes a lot away from the 'wow' factor.

The S10 is a great achievement in putting a lot in a small space but I still don't see the need for something that small.




mchank

Comments: 8
Sep 13 (2006) 10:51AM  

It has more features than the new Shuffle but its estimated price is also twice as expensive (Shuffle 1gb $79, S10 $165) and its more expensive than the new Nano with half the space and a third of the battery life (4g nano $199, 24 hour estimated battery life, 2gb S10 $209, 8 hour battery life). Iriver really needs to step it up more than this if its gonna compete with Apple's new products.




zip22

Comments: 1818
Sep 13 (2006) 11:26AM  

steve wrote ...
for putting a complete dap into that small size. It's not as challenging if you leave out major features like a screen; it takes a lot away from the 'wow' factor.


your neglecting the fact that more than 1/3 of the ipod's thickness is actully the clip [Linky]

this thing is pretty amazing, though. i'll be interested in seeing actually battery lives for each of them. 2GB is definately nice.

[ edited Sep 13 (2006) 11:30AM ]




Breakdown

Comments: 228
Sep 13 (2006) 11:46AM  

That's the same as the N20!

they just changed the name. .

your neglecting the fact that more than 1/3 of the ipod's thickness is actully the clip [Linky]

a clip isn't innovative and steve wasn't talking about why the new shuffle is small

[Linky]
Beginning September 18, the lucky folks in South Korea can snag the 1GB and 2GB players for about $140 and $175, respectively.

and the boring shuffle G2 isn't suppose to begin production until Oct. (gathered that from DAPRreview)

funny how iriver only competes with the shuffle now.




jbhitter24

Comments: 351
Sep 13 (2006) 11:53AM  

is it just a coincidence that the shuffle is just less than a mm smaller than the s10 in most ways? the worlds smallest player sounds much more exclusive then worlds smallest player with a screen. imo, shuffle looks like really cheap to me, probably is made like that too, s10 atleast has some sleekness compared to just the noviltie of having a tiny player.




dap_pad

Comments: 519
Sep 13 (2006) 12:07PM  

wow... so small... did you see the picture? The headphones are almost as big as the S10... LOL




Breakdown

Comments: 228
Sep 13 (2006) 12:12PM  

Apple---shuffle 2G---11,810mm³
iriver---S10---13,608mm³
MobiBLUE---Cube (2)---13,824mm³

iriver is calling the S10 the smallest DAP with a screen. The S10 has an 8hr battery life because of the screen and the shuffle has 12hr because of no screen.




Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2802
Sep 13 (2006) 12:18PM  

S10=N20

I guess they felt it strayed away too much from the N-series and deserved a new letter or something. It's a really nice player




Robert Sinke

Comments: 1221
Sep 13 (2006) 12:26PM  

Strange thing, though... guess they ran out of letters. iOPS also has an S10: [Linky]




pata2001

Comments: 141
Sep 13 (2006) 12:34PM  

Hmm, I remembered the outcry when iPods have 8 hour of battery life. People are still complaining about the battery life of 1st gen nano. This is 2006, and iRiver with 8 hour battery life becomes "acceptable." What a joke. The least iRiver can do is make this gapless with OGG, but I don't think that will happen. iRiver is done for.




Robert Sinke

Comments: 1221
Sep 13 (2006) 12:47PM  

The 3rd gen iPod had a battery life of 8 hours (turned out to be worse in in real life for quite a lot of ppl); back then you'd hear me complaining about it. After all, what's the use of a 20~40GB DAP if it'd only be able to play for a couple of albums in a row?

The nano had to compromise in terms of battery life due to its slimness. To me, that wasn't much of a problem - other ppl prefer longer battery life in a flash DAP; it's kind of a personal thing since flash DAPs only go up to 8GB, with most persons owning a 512MB, 1 or 2GB device to start with. See the dilemma with the MobiBLU B153... like the reversed situation compared to the 3rd gen iPod: overkill in the battery section, or undercutting in the mem department.

The S10 seems to fall within the ultra-small DAP section. Like it or not, battery life tends to be very skimpy in this particular section. The Cubes still only offer 10 hours worth of playback time per charge; so does the MobiBLU DAH-2000. The AMP3 Pebble supposedly can make 12 hours per charge, yet we've tested it and often it stranded at 10 hours or below. Brainic's egge: 8 hours.

Not making up excuses, because I obviously saw 8 hours worth of playback time as a downside (read the news item ) but it does have a larger screen than any of the "competing" miniature DAPs out there, seemingly offering better screen quality as well. Judging from the success of the Cube and the general warm reception for the Pebble... this could work just fine for certain crowds.




Steve

Comments: 1197
Sep 13 (2006) 01:33PM  

your neglecting the fact that more than 1/3 of the ipod's thickness is actully the clip


Semi-valid. The headphone jack is integrated into the clip mechanism, and the clip mechanism is an integral part of the Shuffle. Still, most of the actual body of the player is thinner than the S10, but it's not of practical importance.




ralphb

Comments: 154
Sep 13 (2006) 01:49PM  

Hmm, has anyone looked at the photo? If it's hanging at that distance from the neck, you'd have it at about 2cm from your eyes when you try to operate the thing. Fine if you are short sighted ... but for everyone else ... ?




zip22

Comments: 1818
Sep 13 (2006) 02:03PM  

breakdown wrote ...
Apple---shuffle 2G---11,810mm³
iriver---S10---13,608mm³
MobiBLUE---Cube (2)---13,824mm³


apple actually lists the volume of the shuffle as 0.5 inches³ without the open volume under the clip = 8,193.532 mm³

Steve, you may not think its of practical importance, but i'd say its very significant when discussing the challenge of design and the "wow" factor.

[ edited Sep 13 (2006) 02:05PM ]




Breakdown

Comments: 228
Sep 13 (2006) 02:14PM  

^challenge of design? there were $5 mp3 players that looks like the shuffle, you just had to insert your own SD card




Lacene
Location: Standing Here, Confused By Your
Comments: 841
Sep 13 (2006) 02:23PM  

zip22 wrote ...
Steve, you may not think its of practical importance, but i'd say its very significant when discussing the challenge of design and the "wow" factor.

I think that putting a tiny 65k color screen on something that's as small as the shuffle is definitely a big "wow" factor....




zip22

Comments: 1818
Sep 13 (2006) 02:41PM  

i have never seen an mp3 player as small as the new shuffle, Breakdown.

yes lacene, this player does have the wow factor, but you have made the same error as steve. the shuffle is actually much smaller.




Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2802
Sep 13 (2006) 02:43PM  

ralphb: adjustable cord

As for the new shuffle, it's small, and featureless. It's a nothing player and it's supposed to be. It's not meant for much other than playing some music. No screen, not much control over what you want to hear when you want to hear it. It's good for people who want to work out and don't want any added bulk/weight whatsover.

The price seems too high though. Not in terms of current memory prices but in terms of the trend of Apple leading the drop in those prices. I would have expected Apple to sell it at like 59.99.

Like I said before, this would have been super cool if it doubled as a remote/FM radio for the 5G and iPod Nano, and had some sort of screen display on the back.

[ edited Sep 13 (2006) 02:50PM ]




dap_pad

Comments: 519
Sep 13 (2006) 02:55PM  

I think the S10 is just plain cool, it's small but not the smallest DAP but it is advertised as the Smallest with a screen so that's okay. And plus an 8 hours battery life is okay by today's standards but you have to remember it has a bigger and higher quality screen than it's competition...




Lacene
Location: Standing Here, Confused By Your
Comments: 841
Sep 13 (2006) 03:00PM  

zip22 wrote ...
yes lacene, this player does have the wow factor, but you have made the same error as steve. the shuffle is actually much smaller.

No, I did that deliberately. To the everyday masses that buy the shuffle, the S10 is not going to look so massive next to the shuffle, and the shuffle is not going to look microscopic next to the S10 (why do I feel like I'm talking about a pickup truck?)......they both are going to look to be the same size, but the S10 is going to have the screen, and the shuffle is not. The S10 has twice the shuffle's capacity.

Maybe I may be more knowledgable about this stuff compared to the typical iPod buyer, but if I saw the S10 next to the shuffle, I'd definitely say the S10 has more "wow" than the shuffle.....




zip22

Comments: 1818
Sep 13 (2006) 03:06PM  

if you set them next to each other, it would be pretty easy to see how much smaller the shuffle is. the shuffle would be half clip while the s10 is all player (technically 1/3 clip, but as an everyday mass, you wouldn't be able to check that).

i agree the s10 is very nice. i just don't think it steals any thunder from the shuffle. the s10 sounds like it will be double the price for the same capacity or at least a lot more than the shuffle.
[ edited Sep 13 (2006) 03:17PM ]




Steve

Comments: 1197
Sep 13 (2006) 03:16PM  

if you set them next to each other, it would be pretty easy to see how much smaller the shuffle is.


Yea, not much.

[ edited Sep 13 (2006) 03:29PM ]




4vo

Comments: 160
Sep 13 (2006) 03:18PM  

TBH I don't quite give a shit about the Shuffle; even with its size it fails to impress.

I think the S10 looks.. dare I say it.. cute.




zip22

Comments: 1818
Sep 13 (2006) 03:18PM  

40% less volume




Breakdown

Comments: 228
Sep 13 (2006) 03:29PM  

i have never seen an mp3 player as small as the new shuffle

zip22 I did not say that an mp3 player was smaller (though you'll probably get worked up if it's only 1mm³ off). I said it had the same design--with the iPod like buttons on top and flat and square.




Michael
Location: New York City
Comments: 2802
Sep 13 (2006) 03:39PM  

Wait, why are you guys obsessing over the size differences when both players are exceedingly small enough for the mainstream consumer? Consumers for the most part buy whatever Apple provides. If they gave people a player the size of the s10 rather than the shuffle yesterday, they would have been just as surprised and happy. It's not about the size when players get this small, it's about the brand name and the power of marketing it.
[ edited Sep 13 (2006) 03:39PM ]




zip22

Comments: 1818
Sep 13 (2006) 03:50PM  

i agree that brand name will have something to do with it, but i also believe price will be much larger component. if both players are at retail outlets (we'll see if that happens) then i think price will be the big thing setting these 2 apart. obviously the s10 has a huge advantage with the screen, but if the price is too high, i don't think there will be many takers.

when we were talking about size, i was merely pointing out that the comparison of size in the post was a bit decieving. a good portion of the shuffle is the clip.


Breakdown, when i said "challenge of design" i was refering to the miniscule size, not the rectangular shape with buttons.
[ edited Sep 13 (2006) 03:51PM ]




dap_pad

Comments: 519
Sep 13 (2006) 03:58PM  

Well the Shuffle isn't actually cheap either considering it doesn't have a screen...




pecker

Comments: 501
Sep 13 (2006) 04:00PM  

Every1 talking about the clip does it come off?

if it doesnt then keeping sayin yes but 1/3 is clip....thats like some1 saying im not fat....1/3 of my body is just fat

you cant get rid off it so its the size still matters




dap_pad

Comments: 519
Sep 13 (2006) 04:06PM  

I don't think you can get rid of the clip because i read somewhere that the headphones port is on the clip.




Robert Sinke

Comments: 1221
Sep 13 (2006) 04:09PM  

I don't see the "big" point anyway. Are there so many players < 20 grams and < 40 x 30 x 20mm out there? No. So the new shuffle fit into that list in terms of size and weight. Both the S10 and the shuffle are brand new players by very influential DAP companies, so it's only logical to have a quick cross-referral in there right here & now.

And that's where the comparison should stop, since it's nowhere near in the same class in terms of features, price or target audience. Make no mistake about it, the new shuffle will outsell the S10 by a large factor - price matters, as does brand recognition (not too bad for iriver atm, though) - but that was to be expected 2 days ago as well.

I'm curious what iriver is thinking about Apple's introduction of the new shuffle yesterday, though... they were damn close to having the smallest alround DAP here - screen or no screen.




Steve

Comments: 1197
Sep 13 (2006) 04:24PM  


I'm curious what iriver is thinking about Apple's introduction of the new shuffle yesterday, though... they were damn close to having the smallest alround DAP here - screen or no screen.


They're getting some time in the spotlight they might not have otherwise. The S10 might not be the smallest but the features give it a much better size/performance profile, so it still comes out looking good.




4vo

Comments: 160
Sep 13 (2006) 04:53PM  

When they're both that small I don't think being any smaller would be a good thing.. easier to lose.




dap_pad

Comments: 519
Sep 13 (2006) 05:37PM  

I think i'll lose either the Shuffle or the S10 so easily as well as they are right now... any smaller and a screen would be worthless as well...
[ edited Sep 13 (2006) 05:41PM ]




Lone

Comments: 973
Sep 13 (2006) 07:48PM  

This joins the new Shuffle as too small to be real useful IMO.




dap_pad

Comments: 519
Sep 13 (2006) 08:08PM  

LOL well i think it'll still be useful... but it just not as useful as the Clix... LOL




Hari Iyer

Comments: 87
Sep 13 (2006) 08:28PM  

quite sexy, although i'm not too thrilled with 8 hour battery life and only 2 gig capacity. But what more can they put on a dap that size? (how about putting in that 32 gig chip that samsung just pioneered =D)




Design Fabulous

Comments: 1038
Sep 13 (2006) 09:30PM  

Looks awesome.... Many Koreans are already dying to get this.




theblindman2

Comments: 10
Sep 13 (2006) 10:58PM  

hey look guys, boobs




Breakdown

Comments: 228
Sep 14 (2006) 03:24PM  

^hardly noticed her 'boobs'

But what more can they put on a dap that size? (how about putting in that 32 gig chip that samsung just pioneered =D)

those big flash drives are suppose to as big as a current HD. Unless they managed to shrink it down within the current months, which I doubt.




zip22

Comments: 1818
Sep 15 (2006) 11:59AM  

the ones samsung was trumpeting were CF size (still on the front page). a CF card is bigger than this player, but who knows what size it is when you strip off the case.
[ edited Sep 15 (2006) 12:00PM ]




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